Virat Kohli : worst captain in international cricket ever ?

[SUMO]

Yadav was aggressive selection considering pace in the pitch but for some reason he is bowling pies without putting an effort.

Could have gone with bhuvi but wouldnt have mattered much though. I dont expect 1 odd wicket from bhuvi/jaddu on this pitch.

If fact 2 wkts from vuhari was bonus. Ash will go wicketless if he plays here.

[CSK Fan]

17 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Bhuvi would be more useful in SA/English condition. In Australia his bowling would have been very harmless

I love how from - Bhuvi's bowling would be harmless against quality England bat, to Bhuvi's bowling would be harmless on SA wickets now you have resorted to his bowling will be harmless on Aus wickets. It has been amazing seeing the Bhuvi denial in recent times and people have not forgotten the same guys were saying he would be useless in SA.

 

The wicket is definitely doing something and ball is bouncing high from good length or odd keeping low. An accurate bowler would run circles around batsmen.  But then you have to defend the support of Umesh somehow so yeah Bhuvi would have done nothing

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, CSK Fan said:

I love how from - Bhuvi's bowling would be harmless against quality England bat, to Bhuvi's bowling would be harmless on SA wickets now you have resorted to his bowling will be harmless on Aus wickets. It has been amazing seeing the Bhuvi denial in recent times and people have not forgotten the same guys were saying he would be useless in SA.

 

The wicket is definitely doing something and ball is bouncing high from good length or odd keeping low. An accurate bowler would run circles around batsmen.  But then you have to defend the support of Umesh somehow so yeah Bhuvi would have done nothing

There is a dedicated thread how Bhuvi is a harmless bowler. Don't make it sound like we sat Kapil Dev out lol. I absolutely have no doubt he would have been as ineffective as Umesh on this pitch. But i am hopeful of Umesh doing something in the 2nd innings with the old ball. He has better stamina in a longer test match.

[ravishingravi]

Kuldeep Yadav would be missed. Over spin on this pitch will be lethal in second innings. 

[Forever Indian]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

There is a dedicated thread how Bhuvi is a harmless bowler. Don't make it sound like we sat Kapil Dev out lol. I absolutely have no doubt he would have been as ineffective as Umesh on this pitch. But i am hopeful of Umesh doing something in the 2nd innings with the old ball. He has better stamina in a longer test match. 

Bhuvi can be a harmless bowler only on pattas overseas, whereas Umesh has been established as a harmless & run leaking machine overseas regardless of conditions. Here with some help Bhuvi would have been more handy than Umesh especially to add variety to attack, and he is also a handy test bat to boot. This is not even hindsight as majority agreed here in ICF that Bhuvi should play.

 

Ideally we should have had someone like Siraj playing, but given the squad it was a no brainer that Bhuvi should have played.

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

Kuldeep Yadav would be missed. Over spin on this pitch will be lethal in second innings. 

Kuldeep always is going to have a very long shot of playing here. Because of Pandya's absence India just could not experiment with any other bowler. Who knows he might run through Aussies atleast in one innings before they learn to read him.

[The Realist]

1 hour ago, King Tendulkar said:

You guys should be ashamed of youselves.  We fighting hard, doing well.  Its like dont get 80 all out skipper idiot

 

End of day most of you guys 5ft 2, side parting mummie boys, glasses and accountants/IT geeks.  Fav sport chess or cross words

 

Kohli brings something you malnoursiuhed dwarfs wont get.  Fight, aggression, desire, drive and never say die attitude, You guys more focused on chess moves like geeks should be.  We constantly fighting and challenging oppo.  Like today in days gone by this would have slipped away and body language of players become submissive and give up to let oppo put on 600 declared.  Here Kohli keeps on cracking the whip, the boys play with intent and desire which instilled over years as Kohli as skipper ad we come back in to it

 

Worst thread ever this with geeks who get scared looking at their own reflection all becoming heroes here.  Pathetic wrist slittig

That so-called never say die attitude does not seem to translate into results, take out home series wins which are expected for any half decent team and its been a litany of failure - no tournament wins, smashed 1-4 in Eng, swatted aside in SA etc.

 

Which then suggests Kohli is not a particularly good captain - let;s things drift, poor field placings, wrong bowling combinations. nepotistic selections, undermining previous coach in favour of an alcoholic retard. Kohli if anything comes across as a bit dim with all that fake aggressiveness when the other team's tailenders rack up more runs than his inept openers/middle order which he selects every game/series.

 

Just look at the team/individual stats in the past few years - most have regressed, that is not wrist slitting and its better to face up to reality than live in a delusional world.

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

Bhuvi can be a harmless bowler only on pattas overseas, whereas Umesh has been established as a harmless & run leaking machine overseas regardless of conditions. Here with some help Bhuvi would have been more handy than Umesh especially to add variety to attack, and he is also a handy test bat to boot. This is not even hindsight as majority agreed here in ICF that Bhuvi should play.

 

Ideally we should have had someone like Siraj playing, but given the squad it was a no brainer that Bhuvi should have played.

I am not sure Bhuvi did well last time in Australia. Gentle medium pacers rarely do well here unless you get prodigious swinging conditions. You are not going to get in 40 degree temperature.   Last match all 3 clocked 140k and bowled quicker. Sure Ishant dropped significantly in this match. But pace was one of the reason India could unsettle them. Even today Bumrah's pace is what that unsettled them most of the time.  

[King Tendulkar]

Maybe I would have played spinner?  50/50 call.  We will see after the game.  The worst skipper thread was started during 1st test and we bleeding won the game!

 

Managt hinking was track all about pacers.  Hardly worthy of abuse they getiing as they may even be right

 

Umesh over bhuvi 50/50 as well.  BK injured, could he bowl lots of overs?  Plus Umesh bowled very well last test match he played, I know ICF dont like to look at things like that......but anyway

[King Tendulkar]

1 minute ago, The Realist said:

That so-called never say die attitude does not seem to translate into results

Number 1 in tests for over 2 years!!!  What you smoking. 

 

Fought well in SA and eng.  A few key moments go out way could have won.  Need to learn to take and win key moments.  Did well 1st test winning key moments

[vvvslaxman]

Indian fast bowlers have done a fabulous job over the last year or so. Yes including Umesh who took 10fer in the last match. Instead of complaining about our batting choices we are worried about no.8 batsman. Why is M Vijay playing again. T20 hack KL Rahul is another guy that needs to show more application.  

[Forever Indian]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I am not sure Bhuvi did well last time in Australia. Gentle medium pacers rarely do well here unless you get prodigious swinging conditions. You are not going to get in 40 degree temperature.   Last match all 3 clocked 140k and bowled quicker. Sure Ishant dropped significantly in this match. But pace was one of the reason India could unsettle them. Even today Bumrah's pace is what that unsettled them most of the time.   

Bhuvi has played only one test in Aus so far, and that too returning from injury mid-series. So that one test is not sufficient to form a lifelong opinion about his effectiveness given he has been very good overseas on most tracks. Even Umesh had similar figure in that match FYI and infact was carted around at 15 RPO like a part timer in 2nd innings.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Forever Indian said:

Bhuvi has played only one test in Aus so far, and that too returning from injury mid-series. So that one test is not sufficient to form a lifelong opinion about his effectiveness given he has been very good overseas on most tracks. Even Umesh had similar figure in that match FYI and infact was carted around at 15 RPO like a part timer in 2nd innings.

Bhuvi didn't play the entire tour of England. Didn't play against West Indies. Didn't play even in the warm up game in Australia. In such a scenario it is too risky waging your bet on an unfit player.  I am not even sure if he is match ready. Frankly they should have left him out of the squad and picked some one else.

[King Tendulkar]

19 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Indian fast bowlers have done a fabulous job over the last year or so. Yes including Umesh who took 10fer in the last match. Instead of complaining about our batting choices we are worried about no.8 batsman. Why is M Vijay playing again. T20 hack KL Rahul is another guy that needs to show more application.  

Yes Kohli and Shastri (i know icf hates him) have developed and backed group of genuine fast bowlers.  Hunt as a pack.  Best pace attack in indian history and best maybe in world at moment.  Not by luck that.  Well done skipper, plus they backed up up by intense unit in field who are agressive to oppo to back fast men up

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

I am not sure Bhuvi did well last time in Australia. Gentle medium pacers rarely do well here unless you get prodigious swinging conditions. You are not going to get in 40 degree temperature.   Last match all 3 clocked 140k and bowled quicker. Sure Ishant dropped significantly in this match. But pace was one of the reason India could unsettle them. Even today Bumrah's pace is what that unsettled them most of the time.  

pace alone is not enough. it is accurate pace that matters and Umesh does not have that if it is not his day.

[rkt.india]

54 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Bhuvi didn't play the entire tour of England. Didn't play against West Indies. Didn't play even in the warm up game in Australia. In such a scenario it is too risky waging your bet on an unfit player.  I am not even sure if he is match ready. Frankly they should have left him out of the squad and picked some one else.

yes if they are not sure of his fitness, they should not have included him.  in fact, even Umesh should not be picked for overseas test. The guys averages 41 overseas and showing no signs of improvement like Ishant who even if not bowling magical deliveries has learnt to stay in the game.  Umesh takes game away from his team in a session.  going close 4 rpo on this pitches deserve permanent dropping from the squad.  

Edited December 14, 2018 by rkt.india

[Lannister]

This guy overestimates himself when it comes to leadership qualities. I don't think he is bright enough to see the obvious mistakes and he has surrounded himself with dimwits like Shastri. So no one is telling him where he is erring either. The opposition will take advantage if he keeps on repeating such silly mistakes. A batting genius but a dumb tactician or is he just too corrupt that he is similar to Dhoni. 

[vvvslaxman]

28 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

pace alone is not enough. it is accurate pace that matters and Umesh does not have that if it is not his day.

yes he is a 50/50 guy always. Danger of leaking runs are there. But i definitely don't favor finger spinners in Australia. I would take a gamble with Kuldeep at best as he can be bit of msytery at test level

[rtmohanlal]

Umesh was  such a sense less selection. He would leak runs for sure. Kohli needed to realize that playing him against  low profile WI players in Indian conditions  is far different when compared to  that against AUS batsmen in AUS conditions who are so familiar with playing fast bowling. 

[motomaverick]

4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

I am okay with the team. Thinking that Indian spinners what Lyon would do then we are fooling ourselves.  Our spinners are not like Lyon. THey don't rip and expect lot of bounce of the deck. On the same Adelaide oval where Lyon made top Indian batsmen scratching around against him, Ashwin had a hard time getting a tailender out. Besides one of our seamer has an iffy fitness who could break down anytime. It was down to Umesh and Bhuvi. Bhuvi would be more useful in SA/English condition. In Australia his bowling would have been very harmless. He would have conceded less runs. His batting might be handy. Those are the two advantages. Yes in hindsight it looks a better move. But i say there is nothing much to choose between them as bowlers. India needs to find alternatives. Preferably a left arm quicker. Loading the side with 5 right arm seamers mean teams will eventually get used to it.

Our number 8 to 11 here are all specialist number 11s, none of them can hold a bat to save his life. You don't see any problem with that?