Whether Virat Kohli overtook Sachin as the test batsmen ??

[express bowling]

22 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

really happy to see Kohli becoming more and more of a complete batsman. His paltry 13 avg: in ENG has crossed 30+ as of now. Hope he crosses 35 or even 40 by the time this series is over.

 

Kohli averages  35.9 in England now.

 

Averages 52 in SENA countries overall.

 

Averages in

NZ     71

Aus   62

SA     56

 

 

And has 10 centuries  from only 23 tests in SENA.

 

 

 

[R!TTER]

Just now, Rasgulla said:

Says who ? He played really slow. If any other batsmen had that many balls to play that day. They would have easily score more. 

 

Did sachin play in CT2013 ? We won it without him 

2014 Finals

2016 SF

2017 Finals

 

We are doing well without him. 

Is that why none of them scored 87 that day, or couldn't survive a spell by Ajmal, Wahab etc.

 

So, your point? We won the game on back of our bowling, that was a below par score.

 

I didn't realize Sachin feature in WT20 as well, you learn something every day.

 

Great innings, we still lost though.

 

I'm a bit perplexed - should we blame Kohli "the overconfident we can chase anything" captain or Kohli the batter who couldn't chase a given total that day?

Edited August 20, 2018 by R!TTER

[rkt.india]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Kohli averages  35.9 in England now.

 

Averages 52 in SENA countries overall.

 

Averages in

NZ     71

Aus   62

SA     56

 

 

And has 10 centuries  from only 23 tests in SENA.

 

 

 

Kohli has become a monster overseas.

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Kohli has become a monster overseas.

 

He thinks about his batting  and works hard to improve the weaknesses he has.

[putrevus]

Pity we don't even have half decent batsman who can support Kohli, we would be winning this series and also series in SA.

[Shunya]

Stop this ridiculous discussion and just give it to Kohli.

We need to start creating threads comparing him with Bradman now. What a batsman this guy is becoming.  

[putrevus]

One more important where Kohli is better than Sachin is ability to score in both innings when in form.

12- Number of times Kohli has scored 200 or more runs in a Test, which is already the most among all India players and fifth-highest by any batsman. Kumar Sangakkara leads the list with 17 such instances. For India, Sachin Tendulkar and Rahul Dravid had done it 10 times.

 

This is one stat where he has shown he is by far so much superior than any other Indian batsman Sachin is no match to him in this regard. You can count on this guy when he is in nick to show and score for his team.

[goose]

Kohli is on his way to emulating Ponting.

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Pity we don't even have half decent batsman who can support Kohli, we would be winning this series and also series in SA.

this.

[Vilander]

If some pie head had half ability as a decent test batsman who can support Kohli India would have been 2-1 up at the end of the current game.

[Gollum]

43 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Stop this ridiculous discussion and just give it to Kohli.

We need to start creating threads comparing him with Bradman now. What a batsman this guy is becoming.  

Steve Smith is a more valid benchmark and still the best in the world IMO. Forget his test credentials, the QF-SF-F show in 2015 WC was other worldly.

Edited August 20, 2018 by Gollum

[Laaloo]

Sachin still winning

[Gollum]

VK is having a purple patch since 2014-15 Australia with only the 2017 Aus series being a notable blip. But it pales in comparison to Dravid's level in 2001-06 period, that was the highest level of test batsmanship I have seen by an Indian....Viru too had a similar golden patch but RD had overseas masterclasses like 2002 Eng, 2003-04 Aus, 2004 Pak and 2006 WI ...drew in 2 while we won the other 2. Sachin was very consistent but never took complete charge for a 5 year span like RD/VK....he would get 1 100 per series and do only decently in the others, lacked the hunger inspite of enormous talent. That is why I feel it is possible for VK to surpass SRT's test credentials, but he is not there yet. Ponting threatened to do the same but fell off very badly in his final 5-6 years. For all we know the same may happen to VK who is in many ways the next version of Punter.

[Gollum]

Tests (my ranking):

Gavaskar

Sachin

Dravid

Kohli

 

Sunny at top because I have special love for test openers. Also he is the only sure shot Indian candidate in an all time world XI.

Edited August 20, 2018 by Gollum

[Shunya]

23 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Steve Smith is a more valid benchmark and still the best in the world IMO. Forget his test credentials, the QF-SF-F show in 2015 WC was other worldly.

Smith is great in Tests, but Kohli has just gone into another gear now with super performances in difficult overseas leg. And agreed he has to help win a big WC like Smith, but overall in all 3 formats, there is no matching Virat now. Its just impossible to sustain being at top playing in all 3 format. Smith would not be able to do that. 

[putrevus]

You need more than just records to prove your greatness. Sachin's records are mainly due to his longevity rather than just overwhelming superiority.

 

Greatness is what any batsman can do in their peak of their powers. Sachin falls way below all other greats.Greatness is all about stamping your will and authority over any series.

 

Kohli has that sure factor when he is in form.Dravid is way below Kohli, other than his purple patch from 2002-2006 Dravid , I would not rate Dravid as ATG as he never had this ability to impose himself.

 

Sachin had ability but he self destucted himself as he did not have the restraint which Kohli has shown.

 

Smith is great test batsman but he pales in comparision to Kohli in other formats, one world cup performance will not change it.

Edited August 20, 2018 by putrevus

[MechEng]

16 minutes ago, Gollum said:

VK is having a purple patch since 2014-15 Australia with only the 2017 Aus series being a notable blip. But it pales in comparison to Dravid's level in 2001-06 period, that was the highest level of test batsmanship I have seen by an Indian....Viru too had a similar golden patch but RD had overseas masterclasses like 2002 Eng, 2003-04 Aus, 2004 Pak and 2006 WI ...drew in 2 while we won the other 2. Sachin was very consistent but never took complete charge for a 5 year span like RD/VK....he would get 1 100 per series and do only decently in the others, lacked the hunger inspite of enormous talent. That is why I feel it is possible for VK to surpass SRT's test credentials, but he is not there yet. Ponting threatened to do the same but fell off very badly in his final 5-6 years. For all we know the same may happen to VK who is in many ways the next version of Punter.

Dravid's peak also coincided with the end of an era of great fast bowlers. 2002 England and 2006 WI tours were great but 2004 Pak tour had no Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis, Saqlain was not that good and Shoaib Akhtar was erratic, Aus tour had no Warne and Mcgrath, Brett Lee was erratic too. BCCI was not rich in 1990s, so we hardly got to play lots of tests.

 

Sachin's 1998 home test series with Australia was batting perfection, only bettered by Viv and Lara at their peaks. Australia had no fast bowlers but Warne was in God mode, and Sachin although didn't blast him like Siddhu did but looked completely at control against him.

Edited August 20, 2018 by MechEng

[rtmohanlal]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Kohli averages  35.9 in England now.

 

Averages 52 in SENA countries overall.

 

Averages in

NZ     71

Aus   62

SA     56

 

 

And has 10 centuries  from only 23 tests in SENA.

 

 

 

brilliant brilliant achievement.And almost another addition of a sooner  certified ATG player(more gleefully a batsman) into the group of a handful of ATGS for India.Hope he maintains his avg: of 35+ aleast if not  achieve 40+ in ENG  by the time this series ends  .

[Gollum]

2 minutes ago, MechEng said:

Dravid's peak also coincided with the end of an era of great fast bowlers. 2002 England and 2006 WI tours were great but 2004 Pak tour had no Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis, Saqlain was not that good and Shoaib Akhtar was erratic, Aus tour had no Warne and Mcgrath, Brett Lee was erratic too. BCCI was not rich in 1990s, so we hardly got to play lots of tests.

 

Sachin's 1998 home test series with Australia was batting perfection, only bettered by Viv and Lara at their peaks. Australia had no fast bowlers but Warne was in God mode, and Sachin although didn't blast him like Siddhu did but looked completely at control against him.

2004 Pak tour was important because of the hype and the fact that we had never won a series there, his 270 in the decider was outstanding.

 

Sachin's 1998 series was very good but his nemesis McGrath was missing. Moreover the entire batting order was on fire that series, one can say Sidhu softened Warne for the middle order and even Azhar was brilliant.

[Gollum]

And @MechEng 1998 Warne wasn't in God Mode. He had an injured shoulder and also stomach infection at various points in that series. That Aussie team had a mediocre bowling line up and even the aura wasn't there. Dravid in 2003-04 was up against a team that scared everybody, his performance in Adelaide trumps everything SRT ever did in his test career.

Edited August 20, 2018 by Gollum