King Kohli vs Sir Viv in ODIs

[rock777]

sir viv head and shoulders above kohli

[Anoop K]

Virat is no doubt superior. 

[urnotserious]

LOL you guys are nostalgic idiots. Viv had many many contemporaries some in his OWN team as well as opposition who either averaged as much or very close in Zaheer Abbas(avg 47.62, strike rate of 84), Greenidge(avg 45), Dean Jones(avg 44), Desmond Haynes(avg 41.37 but 1500 more runs),  Miandad, Broad, Marsh, Turner etc.

 

Kohli has no contemporaries. No one averages near him(59.85), even with half his runs, even quarter his runs. At his strike rate or not. He is a proven match winner chasing a total like no other.

 

Kohli has a much much much better average(59.85 vs 47), strike rate(93 vs 90), nearly 1 and 3/4ths more runs(11,700 vs 6700) and quadruple the number of centuries(43 vs 11). Its a no brainer who is a better bat. He is clearly head and shoulders above his contemporaries while Viv wasn't clearly as better over his. 

 

Viv in his best year can only hope to maintain the consistency Kohli has over his career....in ALL 3 forms.

[rtmohanlal]

8 hours ago, urnotserious said:

LOL you guys are nostalgic idiots. Viv had many many contemporaries some in his OWN team as well as opposition who either averaged as much or very close in Zaheer Abbas(avg 47.62, strike rate of 84), Greenidge(avg 45), Dean Jones(avg 44), Desmond Haynes(avg 41.37 but 1500 more runs),  Miandad, Broad, Marsh, Turner etc.

 

Kohli has no contemporaries. No one averages near him(59.85), even with half his runs, even quarter his runs. At his strike rate or not. He is a proven match winner chasing a total like no other.

 

Kohli has a much much much better average(59.85 vs 47), strike rate(93 vs 90), nearly 1 and 3/4ths more runs(11,700 vs 6700) and quadruple the number of centuries(43 vs 11). Its a no brainer who is a better bat. He is clearly head and shoulders above his contemporaries while Viv wasn't clearly as better over his. 

 

Viv in his best year can only hope to maintain the consistency Kohli has over his career....in ALL 3 forms.

all the names you specified to compare with Viv paled  a lot  in one factor of the other. That combo of '47 & 90 '  was convincingly better to that of any other.Zaheer played only a few ODIs,  Greenidge has only  64.92 str etc etc.

[urnotserious]

44 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

all the names you specified to compare with Viv paled  a lot  in one factor of the other. That combo of '47 & 90 '  was convincingly better to that of any other.Zaheer played only a few ODIs,  Greenidge has only  64.92 str etc etc.

So does Viv when compared to Kohli by miles(59.85 and 93 vs 47 and 90) over a longer period of time scoring more runs(11700 vs 6700) and centuries(43 vs 11) and match winning innings than Viv. LOL its a no brainer.

 

You guys also overvalue the strike rate in an era where there was no pressure to score 350 in 300 balls. Ever. He did it because he had Greenidge, Haynes, and Lloyd in his side not to mention the bowlers. There's no glory in scoring 240 in 40 overs when you needed that in 50.  Is it dominant? Sure. Is it the same when you need 350 in 300? No. 

 

 

And Viv's contemporaries were within an earshot of Viv, Kohli is peerless. Including Viv. 

[rtmohanlal]

1 hour ago, urnotserious said:

So does Viv when compared to Kohli by miles(59.85 and 93 vs 47 and 90) over a longer period of time scoring more runs(11700 vs 6700) and centuries(43 vs 11) and match winning innings than Viv. LOL its a no brainer.

 

You guys also overvalue the strike rate in an era where there was no pressure to score 350 in 300 balls. Ever. He did it because he had Greenidge, Haynes, and Lloyd in his side not to mention the bowlers. There's no glory in scoring 240 in 40 overs when you needed that in 50.  Is it dominant? Sure. Is it the same when you need 350 in 300? No. 

 

 

And Viv's contemporaries were within an earshot of Viv, Kohli is peerless. Including Viv. 

ABDV with a 53.5,101 combo gives competition to  Kohli .More over he started some 3.5 years before Kohli & has better KO performances in WCs too. Viv stood alone with no challenger. Just like there is pressure in scoring 350 in 300 balls today, so was the case those days  in chasing even 220  in 300 balls  because of much tougher batting conditions.

To add to all, personally I prefer  a GOAT from a bowling era  (Viv) to a GOAT from much batting friendly era(Kohli) . Any way , each to there own.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

ABDV with a 53.5,101 combo gives competition to  Kohli .More over he started some 3.5 years before Kohli & has better KO performances in WCs too. Viv stood alone with no challenger. Just like there is pressure in scoring 350 in 300 balls today, so was the case those days  in chasing even 220  in 300 balls  because of much tougher batting conditions.

To add to all, personally I prefer  a GOAT from a bowling era  (Viv) to a GOAT from much batting friendly era(Kohli) . Any way , each to there own.

Which goat bowlers did Viv face in ODIs?

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, urnotserious said:

So does Viv when compared to Kohli by miles(59.85 and 93 vs 47 and 90) over a longer period of time scoring more runs(11700 vs 6700) and centuries(43 vs 11) and match winning innings than Viv. LOL its a no brainer.

 

You guys also overvalue the strike rate in an era where there was no pressure to score 350 in 300 balls. Ever. He did it because he had Greenidge, Haynes, and Lloyd in his side not to mention the bowlers. There's no glory in scoring 240 in 40 overs when you needed that in 50.  Is it dominant? Sure. Is it the same when you need 350 in 300? No. 

 

 

And Viv's contemporaries were within an earshot of Viv, Kohli is peerless. Including Viv. 

Also field setting at that time in ODIs used to be like tests.

[Anoop K]

Kohli is unquestionably better. Even Sachin was better than viv. Both of them have played in an era where Odi cricket was much more developed. In Viv 's time Odi wasnt even taken seriously. 

[putrevus]

Viv on day would be more devasting than Kohli as he was more powerful but there is no one who has the consistency of Kohli in odis. Viv made merry against medium pacers not that he was bad against fast bowlers.

[urnotserious]

8 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

ABDV with a 53.5,101 combo gives competition to  Kohli .More over he started some 3.5 years before Kohli & has better KO performances in WCs too. Viv stood alone with no challenger. Just like there is pressure in scoring 350 in 300 balls today, so was the case those days  in chasing even 220  in 300 balls  because of much tougher batting conditions.

To add to all, personally I prefer  a GOAT from a bowling era  (Viv) to a GOAT from much batting friendly era(Kohli) . Any way , each to there own.

ABDV averages more than 6 runs below Kohli. That's not a contemporary. Do you know how many batsman were averaging around 41(Viv's 47-6) in his days? There were more than one......dozen. 

 

Tougher batting conditions? How? Viv didn't even face the best bowling attack....his own. 

 

This isn't each to their own conversation, you might like Viv more but he is decidedly a second tier batsman compared to Kohli. Without a doubt. 

[urnotserious]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Viv on day would be more devasting than Kohli as he was more powerful but there is no one who has the consistency of Kohli in odis. Viv made merry against medium pacers not that he was bad against fast bowlers.

Uh what? Kohli has been more devastating of the two. He not only has a much much much superior average but a better strike rate as well. 

[zen]

 Neena Gupta knows best 

[putrevus]

25 minutes ago, urnotserious said:

Uh what? Kohli has been more devastating of the two. He not only has a much much much superior average but a better strike rate as well. 

Understand history of the game first .

[Jimmy Cliff]

On 7/10/2019 at 4:30 PM, Gollum said:

Some real comedy in the first five pages. 

New comedy season has started now that the SF humiliation is fading away and the bilateral bullying has resumed . 

[urnotserious]

38 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Understand history of the game first .

You mean at a time when Viv carted bowling attacks complemented with bad fielding like India, NZ, England, Srilanka etc all around the park? See off one good bowler and then make merry? 

Why don't you take off your nostalgic glasses and look at facts. 59.85 is way way way more than 47. So is 93 than 90. 

[SUMO]

Bradman and Viv were modern era cricketers playing in the amateur era of respective formats. Doesnt mean that they were the one and only GOAT.

IMO Thay were very much in the same category of Sachin Lara Ponting Sehwag(tests) Hayden Smith kohli

[Nikola]

Kohli still has 2 worldcups to prove himself but for now i will anyday go with sir viv.

[sarcastic]

14 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Kohli still has 2 worldcups to prove himself but for now i will anyday go with sir viv.

I doubt Kohli will play 2027 given the heavy work load these days. He probably will quit before that. Even if does, his form will be nowhere close to best given his advanced age at that time. So, WC 2023 is his best attempt as far as improving his WC performance is concerned. 

[Nikola]

1 minute ago, sarcastic said:

I doubt Kohli will play 2027 given the heavy work load these days. He probably will quit before that. Even if does, his form will be nowhere close to best given his advanced age at that time. So, WC 2023 is his best attempt as far as improving his WC performance is concerned. 

Yeah 2023 is his best chance and given that it's in india so it's everything perfectly set for him. I feel he will continue till 2027 and will do decent even then but surely won't be anyway near to what he was in his peak days.