Rishabh Pant needs more time but former India keepers want clear selection policy

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Rishabh Pant’s glovework has been shoddy in England and he needs to cover a lot of ground before he can be trusted as a Test-level wicket-keeper, some of the former India stumpers said Tuesday. The 20-year-old has conceded an unprecedented 76 byes in six innings in the ongoing Test series against England although at least 20-25 of those runs were not exactly his fault.

After watching him closely, former India ‘keepers Nayan Mongia, Kiran More and Deep Dasgupta believe that the Rourkee youngster is still a “work in progress”. But at the same time, they want the selectors to have a clear cut policy on young keepers given that Wriddhiman Saha is unlikely to start playing before another three to four months.

“He (Pant) is still very raw and I think it’s a wrong policy to pick players based on their IPL form. His basics of keeping are not correct. My concern is if he is not able to keep to spinners in England, he will have problems on fourth and fifth day tracks in the sub-continent,” Mongia, who has kept wickets to the legendary Anil Kumble, told PTI Tuesday.

Mongia then dissected his keeping against Hanuma Vihari and Ravindra Jadeja. “You need suppleness in shoulders. His shoulders are stiff. Now in England, at least the bounce is not uneven. But the test will be against Ashwin, Jadeja and Kuldeep on the uneven fourth and fifth day tracks in India. Against pacers, he is just diving from the spot,” said the veteran of 44 Tests and 140 ODIs.

Asked about his preferred choice in the upcoming series against the West Indies, Mongia spoke about Parthiv Patel. “I think Parthiv was the second keeper in South Africa. How come he is not in the scheme of things? I think they should try Parthiv but it’s up to the selectors. I don’t know why there aren’t long-term camps at NCA for young keepers,” he added.

While Mongia spoke about recalling Parthiv, another former cricketer and analyst Deep Dasgupta feels that it could at best be a short-term policy. “Look, Rishabh Pant is your long-term future and he needs to be nurtured well. Yes, there are a lot of areas in keeping that he needs to work on but I don’t want to see a player being dumped after one series,” Dasgupta, who has watched a lot of domestic cricket as broadcaster, opined.

Questioned on any technical flaw that he has observed, Dasgupta said: “I think against seamers, he is trying to judge the angle of the delivery from the hand. You can’t do that in England. Also he needs to be stable in his position.”

Asked about what will be his choice for the next Test against West Indies at Rajkot, Dasgupta termed it a tricky one. “I guess the situation is fluid. Do the selectors want to go back to Parthiv? He recently scored 80 in a Duleep Trophy game. Now with Parthiv or even DK (Dinesh Karthik) you know what to expect. So, if you are looking at the next six Tests (including four against Australia), I don’t mind having the two veterans,” said Dasgupta.

But what about Kona Bharat, who recently scored a hundred against Australia A? Dasgupta replied: “Well Bharat is the best young keeper in the country. But then you need to be very cautious. If selectors think he is ready then it has to be till Australia Test matches. The policy needs to be spelt out.”

Kiran More, who has been a former chairman of selectors, wants Pant to get another chance against the Caribbeans at Rajkot. “I would ideally give him one more Test match. I feel for the boy. I believe he has been fast-tracked into Test cricket and England is not an easy place to keep wickets. But I would look at the positives. He hasn’t dropped any catches even though he has conceded byes. He is a terrific talent. I only hope that this doesn’t affect his batting,” More said.

Like Mongia and Dasgupta, More also spoke about how Pant needs to really work hard on his keeping. “Yes, he needs to work a lot on his keeping. There is a lot that he can learn in terms of technique. I am ready to work on him and help him out if he wants,” he added.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, Switchblade said:

Kiran More, who has been a former chairman of selectors, wants Pant to get another chance against the Caribbeans at Rajkot. “I would ideally give him one more Test match. I feel for the boy. I believe he has been fast-tracked into Test cricket and England is not an easy place to keep wickets. But I would look at the positives. He hasn’t dropped any catches even though he has conceded byes. He is a terrific talent. I only hope that this doesn’t affect his batting,” More said.

Well said

PPl need to go easy on players who are fast tracked or are very young specially when they are playing in such tough conditions 

[Vilander]

12 minutes ago, Switchblade said:

There is a lot that he can learn in terms of technique.

this means his flaws are fundamentally coachable. this is good. 

[express bowling]

Are these interviews before his century or after  ?

 

Has his keeping improved in the eyes of experts after his heroics with the bat  ?     

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3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Are these interviews before his century or after  ?

 

Has his keeping improved in the eyes of experts after his heroics with the bat  ?     

Before

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Just now, Switchblade said:

Before

 

I would love to read the " after " interviews .

 

Solution by experts is Parthiv for his keeping  !  Amazing  !   

 

More has been fair.

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Just now, express bowling said:

 

I would love to read the " after " interviews .

 

Solution by experts is Parthiv for his keeping  !  Amazing  !   

 

More has been fair.

Mongia supported Parthiv you can know the reason yourself need of the hour is to think about the future not stop gap arrangements.

Pant was lucky had Saha been fit he wouldn't have played.

[Brainfade]

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I would love to read the " after " interviews .

 

Solution by experts is Parthiv for his keeping  !  Amazing  !   

 

More has been fair.

Yep ... I saw the word "Parthiv" and stopped reading after that.  Sometimes it feels like there are agendas at work in these interviews.  

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11 minutes ago, Brainfade said:

  Sometimes it feels like there are agendas at work in these interviews.  

 

Most comments by our ex-cricketers,  backing a player sitting out or failing badly   or suggesting alternatives for a " weak " spot ... can be traced to regional agendas.

 

They should criticize Pant's keeping constructively, like More has done ... but suggesting Parthiv as a better keeper is just meh  !

 

 

 

 

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Why is Pant not in Asia cup??

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7 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Why is Pant not in Asia cup??

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Dhoniconda and Dick is there.

[Austin 3:!6]

Dhoniconda and Dick is there.

Even as a batsman alone he is better than many in that middle order

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10 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Why is Pant not in Asia cup??

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Because MSK thinks Axar is a more deadly performer with the bat than Pant. He can be an amazing six hitter at no. 7.

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4 minutes ago, Turning_track said:

Because MSK thinks Axar is a more deadly performer with the bat than Pant. He can be an amazing six hitter at no. 7.

Axar is a better option than Chahal tbh. He can slog a few and might have these see-saw days that even Chahal has with the ball. Playing both Chahal and Kuldeep and add Bumrah to it our batting from 9-11 is non existent.

[raki05]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

I would love to read the " after " interviews .

 

Solution by experts is Parthiv for his keeping  !  Amazing  !   

 

More has been fair.

Chewtiya mongia preaching as if he was great keeper.bloody he missed run out so many times inspite of gathering the ball and player was still not in crease and who can forget his partnership with prabhabakar against WI. He is supporting pappu worst of all keeper just because he is from his state.

[Sgattick10]

Lmao. Pappu and Kartick paid these morons to talk them up.. idiots.

[UrmiSinhaRay]

Don't want to sound bitter-but Pant will eventually turn out to be A Hardik Pandya/Rohit Sharna who rarely wins matches on his own but when times come to save his career , he'll hit some centuries and secure his spot in the team for the next 10 yrs

Same with KL rahul

All these people(and their promoters) have their own agendas, and now that I'm hearing stuff about matches being scripted - sorry I can't really give anything a pass.

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[Laaloo]

3 hours ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:

Don't want to sound bitter-but Pant will eventually turn out to be A Hardik Pandya/Rohit Sharna who rarely wins matches on his own but when times come to save his career , he'll hit some centuries and secure his spot in the team for the next 10 yrs

Same with KL rahul

All these people(and their promoters) have their own agendas, and now that I'm hearing stuff about matches being scripted - sorry I can't really give anything a pass.

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You're sounding more stupid than bitter. Pant has played 4 t20s, 0 ODIs and 3 tests. Did you see his last IPL? Average of 54 with s/r of 173. Does that sound like a player who doesn't do anything but just play a career saving knock?

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47 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

You're sounding more stupid than bitter. Pant has played 4 t20s, 0 ODIs and 3 tests. Did you see his last IPL? Average of 54 with s/r of 173. Does that sound like a player who doesn't do anything but just play a career saving knock?

 

I felt like It was a career saving knock.

Now you can push your agenda and I'll keep pushing mine.
Cya.
Not that we don't have any better options.
 Dhoni is finished anyways and we need a new item in his place.

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49 minutes ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:

 

 

I felt like It was a career saving knock.

Now you can push your agenda and I'll keep pushing mine.
Cya.
Not that we don't have any better options.
 Dhoni is finished anyways and we need a new item in his place.

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I don't have any agendas. Clearly you do. Making up stuff about who's sleeping with who. 

 

Do you watch aapka colors? Watch the recent adverrt for big boss? Where the guy asks his mama before doing anything. Just because your uncle tells you all crap, you spew nonsense here. It's a good thing icf doesn't get sued. Otherwise reading your posts, icf would have shut down the day after you joined.

 

Don't need any agendas to support pant over pappu and dk and Saha on his last legs and dhoni on the verge of retirement and the next options in Samson and kishan who are not ready.

Edited September 12, 2018 by beetle