express bowling Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) Khaleel Ahmed was bowling 138 kph to 148 kph with bounce in Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy 2017-18 early this year. And was bowling really well when bowling at this pace. Bowling with skills and not spraying the ball. Picked up 17 wickets from 10 matches in SMA Trophy 2017-18 at an average of only 15.5 and economy rate of only 6.8 while bowling really quickly. Now ... he is bowling 126 kph to 136 kph. It makes no sense converting a genuine fast bowler to a medium pacer. Especially when that fast bowler was bowling really well. The Team Management and the coaches / mentors who are responsible for this drop of pace by tweaking his action and ball release ... need to know that he was bowling as quickly as Oshane Thomas not too long back. And take corrective steps. Don't push back Indian pace bowling to the 1980s. Edited November 5, 2018 by express bowling Laaloo, Tendulkar1996, flamy and 4 others 1 2 4 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) Khaleel's speeds in the only IPL match he played in May 2018 144 k 144 k 145 k 144 k - Slower 140 k 144 k 145 k 139 k 141 k 145 k Slower 143 k Slower 144 k Slower 138 k Fastest 145 k Average 139 k https://www.iplt20.com/match/2018/59 Edited November 5, 2018 by express bowling tweaker, velu, Mosher and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 Khaleel's speeds yesterday Fastest 136 k Average 128 k velu, Mosher, UrmiSinhaRay and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 Don't think I have ever seen a pace loss of this magnitude in 5 months. ( even a temporary one due to trying to pick up new skills like swinging the ball ... like it probable is in this case ) Tendulkar1996, UrmiSinhaRay and Mosher 1 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) Khaleel's speed reductions almost every match 1. SMA Trophy March 2018 televised match Fastest 148 k Average 142 k 2. IPL Qualifier on 25.05.2018 Fastest 145 k Average 139 k 3. Asia Cup vs HK Fastest 145 k Average 135 k 4. Asia Cup vs Afghanistan Fastest 143 k Average 131 k 5. WI ODI 1 Fastest 142 k Average 133 k 6. WI ODI 3 Fastest 142 k Average 131 k 7. WI ODI 4 Fastest 136 k Average 130 k 8. WI ODI 5 Fastest 139 k Average 130 k 9. WI T20I 1 Fastest 136 k Average 128 k Source : BCCI.tv And IPLT20.com He is reducing speeds in almost every match without fail. Would he challenge Jadeja next ? Edited November 5, 2018 by express bowling UrmiSinhaRay and Mosher 1 1 Link to comment
nevada Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Wow, average of 128 puts him in trundler category! Reduction of 4-5 is understandable but this much? Is it over coaching that is killing our bowlers' speeds? UrmiSinhaRay, Mosher and express bowling 3 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Let him evolve gradually rather than being obsessed with what pace he is bowling. With his fragile body, bowling 140+ is not going to be sustainable right now. Needs to add some strength and muscle. Just for comparison, he's got same number of wickets in 6 matches as Varun Aaron got in 9 matches and at a much better average. This will give him more confidence rather than confidence of bowling 140-145 and not doing as well. He's shown more skills than Aron did. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 His bowling speeds were utterly pathtic! Unadcunt and crapthan speeds. He only has himself to blame. No one telling him to bowl like a trundler. Bumrah and Umesh bowled quick. He needs long hard look in the mirror. Otherwise bugger of to domestics and sort it out. Not interested in 128 trundling. Jason Roy will lick him raki05, Tendulkar1996 and UrmiSinhaRay 1 2 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Khaleel's speeds in the only IPL match he played in May 2018 144 k 144 k 145 k 144 k - Slower 140 k 144 k 145 k 139 k 141 k 145 k Slower 143 k Slower 144 k Slower 138 k Fastest 145 k Average 139 k https://www.iplt20.com/match/2018/59 He ended up giving 38 runs in 3 overs which led to him not playing a single match afterwards. What would a young player prefer? Good performances in first few games, take wickets, gain confidence, prove to himself he belongs or go flat out, get hit and whither away? Global.Baba, Tendulkar1996 and UrmiSinhaRay 1 2 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Having sais that, Khaleel should be encouraged to bowl fast. That he has bowled at 148 kmph in his career, suggests he has the natural pace and unlike trundlers like Unadkat, Mohit Sharma, Shardul Thakur, Kaul and Chahar, does not have to learn to bowl fast. In his short int'l career so far, he's already shown he's the other skills as well - moving the ball both ways, bringing the ball into right handers and away from lefties, bouncers, slower deliveries, bowling from over the wicket and straightening to the right-handers. It's now about him feeling confident and gradually going back to his natural pace, which I am sure will happen in next few matches. Can't he see why he's being unnecessarily panned by posters UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said: He ended up giving 38 runs in 3 overs which led to him not playing a single match afterwards. There was no afterwards. Khaleel was made to sit on the bench for all the 14 league matches in IPL 2018. Was totally out of match practice for almost 2 months and very rusty. Then was suddenly played in a knockout match. What kind of performance do you expect ! Quote What would a young player prefer? Good performances in first few games, take wickets, gain confidence, prove to himself he belongs or go flat out, get hit and whither away? When a pacer starts bowling much slower than his normal speed range, it is often a sign of injury or action / run-up / ball release being tinkered with or lack of focus or intensity or he is out of rhythm. Bowling at normal full pace does not affect a pacer's accuracy. And cutting down pace deliberately does not make him any more accurate. As I said in my earlier posts ... Khaleel bowled really well when he was bowling 138 k to 148 k. Was accurate and displayed a wide range of skills. We saw something similar in the Asia Cup. Khaleel returned with great bowling figures when he was bowling quick and his team was under pressure in both the matches. He was poor in the first ODI vs the WI when he was slower. He bowled well in the games when the WI batters were pathetic and anyway under pressure. We will see what happens when the opponents are putting up a fight. It won't be so easy doing well at 128 k. Bottomline is ... if a pacer is fit and has a good run up, action and ball release and has focus and intensity and is in rhythm ... he won't be bowling much slower than he normally does. And he will be bowling well too. Edited November 5, 2018 by express bowling Mosher, Vilander and UrmiSinhaRay 1 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said: This will give him more confidence rather than confidence of bowling 140-145 and not doing as well. He's shown more skills than Aron did. Why is it an either or ? Khaleel has a wide range of skills. He will have most of those skills even at 140 k to 145 k. Infact, some if his skills like yorkers or bouncers or rising short balls or stump directed indippers ... will be more effective at high speeds. Edited November 5, 2018 by express bowling Mosher and UrmiSinhaRay 2 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, express bowling said: Why is it an either or ? Khaleel has a wide range of skills. He will have those skills even at 140 k to 145 k. Infact, some if his skills like yorkers or bouncers or rising short balls or stump directed indippers ... will be more effective at high speeds. Maybe, leave it to the bowler to decide how confident he's about executing those skills at high pace in international matches? Who are we to judge? He's already shown more skills in int'l cricket than he did in domestic cricket where all he had was raw pace with limited movement. Remember we are talking about a young bowler with hardly any FC experience under his belt. So better to be patient with him and let him grow into his int'l career and not go down the path of Varun Aaron who has taken 6-7 years to finally learn moving the ball regularly. I'm not saying he should not bowl fast, just saying let him get there step by step. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Lannister Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 He got into Indian team by performing with that high pace of his. So I am not sure why he is reducing his pace now, because in international cricket, there is no place for trundlers, they will eventually be found out on these extreme flat wickets. UrmiSinhaRay, express bowling and Mosher 2 1 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, express bowling said: There was no afterwards. Khaleel was made to sit on the bench for all the 14 league matches in IPL 2018. Was totally out of match practice for almost 2 months and very rusty. Then was suddenly played in a knockout match. What kind of performance do you expect ! When a pacer starts bowling much slower than his normal speed range, it is often a sign of injury or action / run-up / ball release being tinkered with or lack of focus or intensity or he is out of rhythm. Bowling at normal full pace does not affect a pacer's accuracy. And cutting down pace deliberately does not make him any more accurate. As I said in my earlier posts ... Khaleel bowled really well when he was bowling 138 k to 148 k. Was accurate and displayed a wide range of skills. We saw something similar in the Asia Cup. Khaleel returned with great bowling figures when he was bowling quick and his team was under pressure in both the matches. He was poor in the first ODI vs the WI when he was slower. He bowled well in the games when the WI batters were pathetic and anyway under pressure. We will see what happens when the opponents are putting up a fight. It won't be so easy doing well at 128 k. Bottomline is ... if a pacer is fit and has a good run up, action and ball release and has focus and intensity and is in rhythm ... he wint be bowling much slower than he normally does. And he will be bowling well too. All I read there is IF XYZ happens, if abc happens and further if ABC and xyz happen simultaneously, we will get great results. Not as simple as you make it sound, definitely not so for a 20 years old Indian pacer who has hardly bowled 300 overs across formats at the top level. Let's compare him to someone like Oshane Thomas who's been consistently 145+. Thomas has a bowling average of 58 and a ER of 8.92 in 2 ODIs matches. How does getting such a thrashing help a young bowler's confidence? Takes a lot of mental fortitude to comeback after such pastings. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
speedheat Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) He should quickly find his mojo back and bowl with his original pace, cutting down pace would only dragg him towards the lowest ebb. Also need to beef up a bit, looked very weak to me. Age on his side hopefully he 'll learn his lesson. Edited November 5, 2018 by speedheat Ridgepi, express bowling and UrmiSinhaRay 3 Link to comment
Global.Baba Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Maybe on 350+ wickets against stronger teams he will up his pace. Let us wait and watch. So far whatever he is bowling is working for him. Has been economical and getting wickets. Not like he is going wicketless + getting smacked like the trundlers or the past UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Fault of speed guns? He doesn't look trundling although clock shows only 124 kph. That is Bhatia's speed. Sure he looks quicker than Bhatia. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
mishra Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I hope he isnt taking bowling advises from Thala Suhaan, UrmiSinhaRay and Soumo 1 1 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said: All I read there is IF XYZ happens, if abc happens and further if ABC and xyz happen simultaneously, we will getgreat results. Let me put it simply. It is not really optional for a pacer to bowl his stock deliveries significantly slower if everything is ok. A huge drop in speeds of stock deliveries is a sign of something going wrong. Quote not so for a 20 years old Indian pacer who has hardly bowled 300 overs across formats at the top level. This I agree with. He is a work in progress. Which is why so many modern captains don't want rookies in the team. They want almost finished products. Quote Let's compare him to someone like Oshane Thomas who's been consistently 145+. Thomas has a bowling average of 58 and a ER of 8.92 in 2 ODIs matches. How does getting such a thrashing help a young bowler's confidence? Takes a lot of mental fortitude to comeback after such pastings. No one is saying that bowling 145 k+ is by itself enough at the top level. A good pacer needs a combination of pace, bounce and skills. I don't know why some people keep pointing to low skilled quick bowlers and criticize bowling quick. Moreover, Thomas has bowled to Kohli, Rohit and Co. while Khaleel has bowled against Hong Kong and a weak WI side. Not really comparable. Edited November 5, 2018 by express bowling Mosher, fedex, UrmiSinhaRay and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment
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