Please no Ashwin for the rest of this series

[Adi BB]

This is perhaps the only pitch where spinners will get so much turn and bounce ,Sydney will be slower than this or might be a greentop,mcg ia a graveyard for the spinners and we have our #1 spinner failing to clean the aussie tail ashwin fails again when the going goes tough 

[Muloghonto]

Just now, Trichromatic said:

He shouldn't be dropped, but he needs to learn from these failures.

Ashwin is not a good bowler on a so-so pitch, being the only spinner. That much, is obvious. He thrives with a kanjoos makkhichoos spinner on the other end to bottle things up, unless the pitch is a square turner.

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

Um ok. Still does not change the fact that Sydney is the best pitch for spinners on that continent. And 7-161 isn't too much better than 5-140* 

It's better than current performance considering that Swann stood up and took 5-fer on day 5 against much better line up.

[SK_IH]

6 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Ashwin is kind of the easiest punching bag. Yes he has been inconsistent and poor but he has bowled well in the last couple of hours.

 

He should be dropped but not sure hiw

much better the alternatives are

if we play them the we will know their ability, we have already seen Ashwin's best

[vvvslaxman]

I am tired of him seeing him bowl toothlessly on a day 5 wicket. Can't create pressure. In SA he could have easily bowled better previous time. In England he could have done better. Now in Australia he is struggling to dismiss even tailenders.What is the point of having him in the side if he can't help the team at Adelaide.

[vvvslaxman]

Every other offie tries to rip the ball. Ashwin just floats the ball. That is the difference. 

[SK_IH]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I am tired of him seeing him bowl toothlessly on a day 5 wicket. Can't create pressure. In SA he could have easily bowled better previous time. In England he could have done better. Now in Australia he is struggling to dismiss even tailenders.What is the point of having him in the side if he can't help the team at Adelaide.

yep toothless is the word. Even Moeen Ali has won matches for Eng in Eng and in SA but this guy cant be dependent upon to take any wkts on even day 5 pitch

[wanted_desi]

Just go with 4 fast bowlers and one Vihari. 

[Lannister]

A part-timer like Vihari will be a better option than this fat ass. 

[Muloghonto]

8 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

It's better than current performance considering that Swann stood up and took 5-fer on day 5 against much better line up.

Don't necessarily think if taking 5-fer on a 5th day pitch is better than taking a 3-fer on a 2nd day pitch.  That lineup was better on paper, but we all know that Punter in 2011 was as good as Rahane is today against spin, plus 3 of his 7 wickets were against tail-enders. 

All 5 of Ashwin's wickets are against the top order. 

[Muloghonto]

9 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

if we play them the we will know their ability, we have already seen Ashwin's best

A wrist spinner from India, who's never taken a 10 wicket haul in the long format, even at first class level, averages over 30 and has less than 4 wickets/match does not deserve to play over arguably the greatest Indian spinner since Kumble. 

[Tridibans_16]

He played well this match but has been awful today. No doubt about that.

[Singh bling]

20 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

eh ?  The fact that OZ is the graveyard of visiting finger spinners, is not an opinion, its a fact - cricinfo had an article on it recently. Murali averages 70+ there. Ajmal averages 50+  So does Swann. Harbhajan is close too. 

So 5 wickets @ less than 30 in a test = success for a finger spinner. Its just that simple. 

They all bowled against that Aussie team where everyone one was beast. Ashwin bowled against Aussie teams which are worst in 50 years.

[Muloghonto]

Just now, Singh bling said:

They all bowled against that Aussie team where everyone one was beast. Ashwin bowled against Aussie teams which are worst in 50 years.

Sure. If you think 2011 Ponting or Katich are a 'beast', i got a villa on the other side of the moon to sell you :)

 

[Jimmy Cliff]

He's called Pitchwin for a reason.

[Singh bling]

4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Sure. If you think 2011 Ponting or Katich are a 'beast', i got a villa on the other side of the moon to sell you :)

 

2011 was still much better than this one

[vvvslaxman]

India essentially bowls with 3 bowlers on day 5. 1 bowler who is supposed to do the bulk of the job goes missing. If he is found wanting  consistently in specific areas  then we have re-evaluate our options.

[The Dark Horse]

With his experience, he's expected to do better. Not that the pitch isn't supporting either.

[Jimmy Cliff]

Lyon was bowling hand grenades on the same pitch. Ashwin struggles to have a decent stock ball. Centurion, Southampton and now Adelaide that's 3 times he's let the team down in the 2nd innings this away cycle. Can't wait for Kuldeep to kick him out of the XI.

[Muloghonto]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Lyon was bowling hand grenades on the same pitch. Ashwin struggles to have a decent stock ball. Centurion, Southampton and now Adelaide that's 3 times he's let the team down in the 2nd innings this away cycle. Can't wait for Kuldeep to kick him out of the XI.

Did you see the difference between Kohli and Payne's field placements to the tail ? You cannot exert pressure if your captain is a facking moron with the field placement. Especially for a slower bowler.