Singh bling Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 9:11 AM, beetle said: Wahan bhi bikte hain. They can choose whichever career and then find a girl who loves them and marry her instead of going throw the arranged route because that is a different animal . If the guy has average salary....find a girl who also works and then both can run their homes with two salaries.Treat her like an equal partner.... Or if you want to go the arranged route...look for girls from poor background and have a simple wedding without dowry... There are plenty of good girls in poor middle glass families ready to marry guys who wants a simple wedding without dowry. Why would parents spend their ife earning and savings and may be go into dept for marrying their daughter to a poor guy ? So either have love marriage or settle for a simple marriage without dowry/ gifts or pay for own marriage ....bahut ladkiyan mil jaengi ...... This is where theory needs to meet reality. Go to any Matrimonial website and see that even girls forward mindset have written income limit of 10 lakhs or above to contact them. If you think that Girls are happy to share financial responsibility then its not true. Most women are very happy with the system of their parents finding a well settled financially well settled guy with his own house. They don't have any problem with this patriarchal system because it benefits them. Similarly Girls are more crazy about lavish weddings . Most girls see their cousins and friends marrying in this way and they too just dream to marry in that way. VT87, velu and Real McCoy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 hours ago, dial_100 said: Gender equality = LGBT = Transgender = Androgyny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 @Real McCoy i think dmk & co put these fake indian feminists in their place well .. "kanimoli is my daughter , but her mom is not my wife" - kalaignar "naan mutram turnatha munivar alla , aval padi thanda pathinium alla" - anna Real McCoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, velu said: @Real McCoy i think dmk & co put these fake indian feminists in their place well .. "kanimoli is my daughter , but her mom is not my wife" - kalaignar "naan mutram turnatha munivar alla , aval padi thanda pathinium alla" - anna That's all nice but when push comes to shove they can't go against central govt much less the UN. They can be non-feminists but they are politicians first of all and they are bound by their corruption. If they get all moralistic, come to their senses and resist, they will be held up in corruption charges. That's how it works. It comes to the people as a whole to reject their doctrine and the powers that rule this world will pull back and chose another time to attack again. Think how tamil people reacted to jallikattu when the SC and everybody was against it. I liked how they barred any politician or movie stars from participating. They had to resort to bringing LTTE sympathizers, seeman, prostitutes, naxals from AP, to break the movement. People will resist if they get the accurate info. That is why they are all converging on children to indoctrinate their ideology. All that we can do it resist from our side. Luckily all my friends are closer to my view. Feminists are zombies. One of my cousin is one (separated and single mother) who always takes digs at men and praises "strong" women in movies. She always said her husband is at fault. One day I told her, it takes two to tango and maybe she is underplaying her role in the divide. She rarely speaks to me these days. Good for me I guess velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 16 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Bhai, I wished you could have come out of this individual stories. It may be one Muslim friend of your living peacefully, but there are millions in Pakistan who are suffering badly while their wives are not able to help them financially. Or the wives have to suffer badly at hands of mother-in-law and others. Individual stories are more real than news reports. I can't trust any news these days because every channel has its agenda. I'm not saying all men are angels but women are not as well. My view is shaped by the people around me. My single income friend has a happier life than two income friends. That's not the only story. I have several and I can write an essay like mulo but I would be wasting my time. I also have seen a distant relative whose husband wants her to work but she wants to stay at home. The guy wants to earn more money. The dude is greedy. I wish I could present my theory but his greed and ego are not ready to listen to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 18 hours ago, beetle said: Well...that says it all. No need for arguments now. What next..stay in purdah too....find some way to justify that too. Why are guys ashamed of accepting their thoughts are from the dark ages? Did I say women should wear a purdah. Its a simple observation. No need to get triggered and extend my comment into the dark ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 9:20 PM, Alam_dar said: Yes, they were respected for it to jump into the fire along with their dead husbands too. Wrong. This only happened during the Islamic conquest of India and is restricted to certain communities in Rajasthan as @coffee_rules mentioned. Women and children were enslaved and sold to whorehouses and slave markets in the middle east. Women thought it better to die with their husbands and not end up in a whorehouse. Modern feminism would say to the women "Be a whore to those people who killed your husband and children" There are people like Swara Bhaskar who say it velu and Singh bling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Real McCoy said: Wrong. This only happened during the Islamic conquest of India and is restricted to certain communities in Rajasthan as @coffee_rules mentioned. Women and children were enslaved and sold to whorehouses and slave markets in the middle east. Women thought it better to die with their husbands and not end up in a whorehouse. Modern feminism would say to the women "Be a whore to those people who killed your husband and children" There are people like Swara Bhaskar who say it You are confusing sati with jauhar. The practice of sati has existed from much before the advent of Islam. Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Singh bling said: This is where theory needs to meet reality. Go to any Matrimonial website and see that even girls forward mindset have written income limit of 10 lakhs or above to contact them. If you think that Girls are happy to share financial responsibility then its not true. Most women are very happy with the system of their parents finding a well settled financially well settled guy with his own house. They don't have any problem with this patriarchal system because it benefits them. Similarly Girls are more crazy about lavish weddings . Most girls see their cousins and friends marrying in this way and they too just dream to marry in that way. Your line of reasoning is not consistent. Even if we assume your claim that most girls have set a limit of 10 lakhs as a limit for any kind of a discussion, it in no way implies that they aren't happy to share financial responsibilities. It maybe a minimum guarantee for a certain level of life style that the girl has maintained through out her life. To better it/ afford a family, the girl would have to work. And as distasteful the practice is, it can't be viewed in isolation from the dowry. If the man can pick his would be wife keeping in mind what he would rake in as 'wedding gifts' (read dowry), then the girl can be expected to look for her best financial interests as well. Guys are crazy about cars and bikes and end up spending a lot a much larger percentage of their income on these things. Its their dream. What is the problem with having a dream? The ancillary auto and wedding management industries gain the most. So do banks providing loans for the same. What exactly is the problem if girls are crazy for a lavish wedding? beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Real McCoy said: Wrong. This only happened during the Islamic conquest of India and is restricted to certain communities in Rajasthan as @coffee_rules mentioned. Women and children were enslaved and sold to whorehouses and slave markets in the middle east. Women thought it better to die with their husbands and not end up in a whorehouse. Modern feminism would say to the women "Be a whore to those people who killed your husband and children" There are people like Swara Bhaskar who say it You are mixing two separate things. Muslims took captive all the women (widows and as well as virgins as well as those whose husbands ran away) and raped them. But this has nothing to do with Tradition of Satti, which is older than Muslim arrival to India. Religion is opium. Muslim women are brainwashed and claim they feel themselves safe in Burqa, and they feel comfortable when their husbands have multiple wives. This was same with Hindu women who were brainwashed in name of religion/tradition that it is a great deed to jump into fire along with their dead husbands. PS: Somewhere I read that Indian Kings also used to rape the slave girls. Let me find the reference. It was new to me as I thought it didn't happen in India. Real McCoy and Muloghonto 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 48 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: You are mixing two separate things. Muslims took captive all the women (widows and as well as virgins as well as those whose husbands ran away) and raped them. But this has nothing to do with Tradition of Satti, which is older than Muslim arrival to India. Religion is opium. Muslim women are brainwashed and claim they feel themselves safe in Burqa, and they feel comfortable when their husbands have multiple wives. This was same with Hindu women who were brainwashed in name of religion/tradition that it is a great deed to jump into fire along with their dead husbands. PS: Somewhere I read that Indian Kings also used to rape the slave girls. Let me find the reference. It was new to me as I thought it didn't happen in India. https://www.quora.com/How-and-why-did-the-practice-of-Sati-come-into-existence-and-become-followed-by-priests It doesn't get a mention in scriptures, but was popular only in some Rajput communities. It was not mentioned in Tamil Sangam which dates back to 3rd century CE. Quote Sati was/is rampant in the Rajput families in the northwest India and most other parts of India have not had a rampant practice of Sati. In Tamil literature, for instance, one doesn't find any mention of Sati at all. Many popular figures in the ancient times, such as Kannagi, were widows. So, what is so special about northwestern India? It lies close to the entry point of invasions. That is where we see the emergence of Sati. Some of the initial occurrences of forced burning goes to the end of Gupta empire that was besieged by invaders. Puranas written at that time mention Sati, but were ambivalent. Some extolled the practice, while others banned it. But, things got really rampant in the 14th century with the Islamic invasion of Rajput territory. Hindus committed mass suicides called Jauhar to avoid the consequence of invasions - including mass rape and servitude. The most famed [notorious?] of this is the suicide of Rani Padmini during the invasion of Alauddin Khilji. This suicide became a major trigger as it got really extolled and praised by all sides. Suddenly temples were erected of her sacrifice and the suicide became something of a virtue. Although Jauhar was for married women, widows without any protection from families would be coerced to give up life, like the Jauhar, which was widespread because of Muslim invaders. Ghunghat is also the same. Nobody wears Ghunghat in the south. All these cultural changes due to Muslim Invasions which were inhuman. Vilander, Alam_dar and Muloghonto 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 On 9/21/2019 at 11:20 PM, beetle said: Women are devis. We men will take ages to understand the real depth of that. Why men, even women do not know what their real self is?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibarn Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) On 9/21/2019 at 9:36 AM, Moochad said: + add moving the target constantly at the end It is more like an unattainable, loosely defined target than a moving target. The shapeless nature of the target allows for constant and selective whinging. Quote Also add somewhere, never taking responsibility for your own role in the system, always someone else creates it, always its someone elses fault. 100% Edited September 27, 2019 by Tibarn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Burqa is empowering, learning to defend oneself is communal Peshust and velu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 It is the festive season, Indian feminists working with evangelicals and mullahs are working overtime. Time to put Hindus down. join in ladies... beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 so you can get dressed and go to a movie, but can't stand for 52 seconds because of cramps? The debate should be about if the anthem should be played in movies, not about a freedom of choice to respect the national anthem or not Real McCoy and velu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Straight is the keyword! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 11 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Straight is the keyword! Maybe this guy needs to learn that his opinion doesn't matter. They are not wearing what they are wearing based on his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, beetle said: Maybe this guy needs to learn that his opinion doesn't matter. They are not wearing what they are wearing based on his opinion. Most men don't even remember or care what A,B,C girl , woman was wearing . Infact it is women who just note what other women was wearing. Muloghonto and velu 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Most men have a simple checklist for clothing: 1. Does it look and smell clean ? 2. Does it still fit me ? 3. Is it comfy enough for the weather ? If yes to all three, we wear it. Until our wives come and tell us ‘ we are going to someone’s wedding, be less comfortable and wear a tie !’ beetle, velu, construction430 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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