Alam_dar Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 There is a increased support for active assisted Death in the Western Countries lately. They support active assisted death not only in case of terminal illness, but also in other cases too. For example, Dutch Parliament is trying to bring a bill, which will allow the senior citizens (above 70 years) to get the right to active assisted death. While others are campaigning to reduce the level of "terminally illness" and if a person is unable to enjoy the life due to permanent illness, then he/she should also get the right to assisted death. Where is India standing? Where are you personally standing? === In Pakistan, assisted death is totally banned while religion considers is a suicide which is Haram. Almost all people are against it. But then I saw people suffering from long illnesses and pain, and a stage comes when patients are themselves wishing death for them. And at the next stage, even the families also wish for a fast death. Whole families are disturbed due to the illness of one person. I have seen my elder cousin sister dying a very painful death. I was only in 10th grade at that time, but I could never forget her death. And then there unlucky people who don't have any relatives to take care of them in the old ages. There are so many videos of people abandoning their old parents. They take them to the big cities, and then return back without their old parents. There are almost no houses for old people from the government. Or even children are taking care of old parents, but consider them a load and old people could not even die with dignity. My heart weeps after watching such videos. === I am convinced that assisted death is a blessing for humankind. I want to die with dignity and don't want to become burden upon my family, once I am old and sick. I want to go into death smiling. The biggest advantage of becoming an atheist is this that I have no more any fear of punishment in the grave or in the hereafter. Thus no problem in dying with smile. Otherwise old people in Pakistan become so much religious and they fear death, and punishment in the grave and the hereafter. Poor people. I feel that Religion not only made their lives a hell, but their death even more painful.
Clarke Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) Liar, liar pants (not rishabh) on fire Or I should say, vests on fire Your govt encourages it openly. It's just that they provide vest with explosives instead of a medical practitioner. Edited March 10, 2019 by Clarke UrmiSinhaRay, Straight Drive, manu4411 and 4 others 1 5 1
Gollum Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 Hope it becomes legal by the time I am old. I wanna have a swift, painless exit....don't want to grovel away into the dark, don't want to be a burden on others. Alam_dar, riya, Stradlater and 1 other 1 3
velu Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Where is India standing? its illegal i guess .. but it was practiced earlier .. sick and elderly were given coconut water , curd and other stuffs in the winter and they will pass out painlessly .. 8 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Where are you personally standing? is someone is suffering from physical pain , then i am ok to allow assisted death , else no .. Alam_dar 1
cric_fan Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 Hope it becomes legal by the time I am old. I wanna have a swift, painless exit....don't want to grovel away into the dark, don't want to be a burden on others. How do you know it is painful?
Gollum Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, cric_fan said: How do you know it is painful? As in bed-ridden with cancer or some other *ed up disease. Don't want to be a burden for others too. Edited March 10, 2019 by Gollum
Gollum Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 @Alam_dar watch the movie "You Don't Know Jack" starring Al Pacino....deals with this subject matter, I liked it. A well made biopic about Jack Kevorkian, also known as Dr. Death. Pioneer of physician assisted suicide for terminal patients...went to prison for this. From IMDB: Storyline Dr. Jack Kevorkian (1928 - 2011 ) in the 1990s, when he defies Michigan law assisting the suicide of terminally-ill persons. Support comes from his sister, a lab tech, the Hemlock Society president, and a lawyer. The child of survivors of the Armenian genocide interviews applicants: his sister video tapes them. He assembles a device allowing a person to initiate a three-chemical intravenous drip. The local D.A., the governor, and the Legislature respond. In court scenes, Kevorkian is sometimes antic. He's single-minded about giving dying individuals the right to determine how their lives will end. He wants the Supreme Court to rule. He picks a fight he can't win: is it hubris or heroism? mishra and Alam_dar 1 1
dial_100 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) Agar mritu ka anand lena hai toh jeevan bhar apne karmo ko acha karo. Kukarm karoge toh robot se injection lagwane padenge. Edited March 10, 2019 by dial_100 randomGuy 1
beetle Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 In an ideal world ....but the world is far from ideal. I feel people of sound mind should be allowed to refuse treatment and helped with pain management . Assisted death is a very dark subject that opens a lot of doors for misuse. In case of people who have lost their mental ability to take decisions ,it is not so ethical.This is where the family and state need to come in .Unfortunately the state is not equipped with the means to deal with such large numbers. Alam_dar, Gollum, manu4411 and 1 other 1 3
randomGuy Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 I guess dying from cancer can also be beautiful if one has no other tensions...I don't know it's just a guess...
randomGuy Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 A great thing I read is life expectancy of hiv infected guy in his 20s in USA is nearly same as that of an uninfected guy...
Stradlater Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 Read Supreme Court's judgement in Aruna Shanbag case and last year's ruling on passive euthanasia. Passive Euthanasia is legal in India. Mariyam, Alam_dar and Gollum 1 2
Stradlater Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 3 hours ago, randomGuy said: I guess dying from cancer can also be beautiful if one has no other tensions...I don't know it's just a guess... You have no idea what you are talking about. My badimummy(taaiji) had blood cancer and the pain she went through was unimaginable. Clarke, Gollum, randomGuy and 1 other 2 2
Gollum Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 3 hours ago, randomGuy said: I guess dying from cancer can also be beautiful if one has no other tensions...I don't know it's just a guess... Nope, it's bloody painful...speaking from experience because 2 of my grandparents passed away after unsuccessfully fighting cancer. Stradlater and randomGuy 1 1
nikred Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 Nope, it's bloody painful...speaking from experience because 2 of my grandparents passed away after unsuccessfully fighting cancer.Yeah, my brother-in-law's brother suffered from a rare cancer. I saw him growing weak and he suffered great physical and emotional pain and spent many sleepless nights. He fought through it and is now a founder of support group called "uncancer India". The guy has a remarkable story as he went through lots of personal problems too during that phase. Sent from my Redmi Note 4 using Tapatalk Adi BB, Gollum, Alam_dar and 2 others 5
Alam_dar Posted March 11, 2019 Author Posted March 11, 2019 13 hours ago, Gollum said: @Alam_dar watch the movie "You Don't Know Jack" starring Al Pacino....deals with this subject matter, I liked it. A well made biopic about Jack Kevorkian, also known as Dr. Death. Pioneer of physician assisted suicide for terminal patients...went to prison for this. From IMDB: Storyline Dr. Jack Kevorkian (1928 - 2011 ) in the 1990s, when he defies Michigan law assisting the suicide of terminally-ill persons. Support comes from his sister, a lab tech, the Hemlock Society president, and a lawyer. The child of survivors of the Armenian genocide interviews applicants: his sister video tapes them. He assembles a device allowing a person to initiate a three-chemical intravenous drip. The local D.A., the governor, and the Legislature respond. In court scenes, Kevorkian is sometimes antic. He's single-minded about giving dying individuals the right to determine how their lives will end. He wants the Supreme Court to rule. He picks a fight he can't win: is it hubris or heroism? Unfortunately, I could not watch this film. I am suffering from a psychological problem, that I could not see blood of other people and even them undergoing any painful medical treatment. Luckily my own blood, or my own painful medical treatment (like injections or blood donation etc) is not a problem. But I could not see other people getting injections. This problem started when I had to watch the very painful medical treatment of my elder cousin sister.
randomGuy Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 3 hours ago, nikred said: Yeah, my brother-in-law's brother suffered from a rare cancer. I saw him growing weak and he suffered great physical and emotional pain and spent many sleepless nights. He fought through it and is now a founder of support group called "uncancer India". The guy has a remarkable story as he went through lots of personal problems too during that phase. Sent from my Redmi Note 4 using Tapatalk Some Israeli researcher recently claimed he found promising cancer cure which attacks different cancer mutations simultaneously. Treats cancer like antibiotics treat infection... Let's see how it turns out..too many such claims have failed in past.
coffee_rules Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 15 hours ago, velu said: its illegal i guess .. but it was practiced earlier .. sick and elderly were given coconut water , curd and other stuffs in the winter and they will pass out painlessly .. is someone is suffering from physical pain , then i am ok to allow assisted death , else no .. Are you pro-life or pro-choice? If you think killing a baby is kosher, why not allow the same who wants to die out of choice?
Gollum Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Alam_dar said: Unfortunately, I could not watch this film. I am suffering from a psychological problem, that I could not see blood of other people and even them undergoing any painful medical treatment. Luckily my own blood, or my own painful medical treatment (like injections or blood donation etc) is not a problem. But I could not see other people getting injections. This problem started when I had to watch the very painful medical treatment of my elder cousin sister. Can you see blood of animals? Serious question. Coming back to this movie as far as I can recall, there isn't much blood, injection, painful medical treatment etc. It is more about his philosophy about medicine, his past, mannerisms, court battles, public reactions etc.
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