Had Kohli won the toss in Ind-Pak match in Manchester...

[Stuge]

1 hour ago, zen said:

To bat or bowl first is usually decided by TM, which consists of Shastri, Kohli, Rohit and Dhoni 

I doubt that lol.  He went with his guts even in CT and ignored Kumble.

[zen]

1 minute ago, Stuge said:

I doubt that lol.  He went with his guts even in CT and ignored Kumble.

Don't think Kohli has "ego" issues with Shastri

[Vilander]

3 hours ago, New guy said:

wood and archer

they are not that good thats why.

[bahubali]

4 hours ago, asterix said:

He said that he too would’ve bowled first...

Thank goodness Sarfaraz won the toss and rest is history...

Glad he dint win the toss otherwise 2017 CT all over again. Guys is clueless in most of thing other than batting.

[WC2011INDIA]

The match was fixed by ICC and respective boards. Pak was going to win it no matter what.

[Frustrated]

We comprehensively beat Pakistan twice while chasing in the Asia Cup.  Those matches were so one sided in our favour that even indian fans stopped watching half way through.   So, I don't understand why so much noise is being created on putting pak to bat first.    Yes, CT final is still fresh in our minds but that was like once in a blue moon performance from Pak.  Further, playing rubbish LOI spinners like Ashwin & Jaddu also acted against us.

[Adi BB]

Decision after toss in not something that the captain alone makes ,a lot of thougt process and consultations are taken from the TM,experienced players like VC,Dhoni etc and then arrive at conclusion. 

So stop saying it's just a kohli thing ,had dhoni or Rohit been the captain they would have bowled first as well because that's what would have been decided by the TM.

[kubrickian]

India still would have won. For starters, there was something in the pitch for seamers because of the rain and cloud cover. Pak bowlers other than Amir bowled too short and were not able to use the conditions. Also, Indian spinners in the middle overs are wicket takers. This will make a huge difference to the bowling. Most important factor, Pak team are generally under a lot of pressure when they play against India and they are not good at handling it. Unless things go completely bad for India and they take the match very lightly, India will win against this Pak side 9/10 times.

[New guy]

1 hour ago, WC2011INDIA said:

The match was fixed by ICC and respective boards. Pak was going to win it no matter what.

So the players sold their countries because the board asked them to? And for Pakistan of all countries. Bullshit 

[New guy]

2 hours ago, Vilander said:

they are not that good thats why.

They have been good against every other country 

[cowboysfan]

we should be  batting first irrespective of the wicket condition,we dont have the lower order to chase at all.

[mishra]

He would have batted first but even if we bowled first, I have complete faith that our bowlers would have bundled pakistan  around 200.

 

CT 17 final was one off upset. Pakistan has been consistently and comprehensively beaten by most decent teams since and before then.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

Chasing is always risky. If they scratch around and get to 250 with few tailender slogging and we lose a couple upfront. it would have been horrible. Bhuvi breaking down while fielding first means we probably will look at more than 250.

[rtmohanlal]

can't get this over emphasis on 'batting first' . If that is the case , then every team winning the toss should select batting first and after that  there should be no  play at all, because it is a given than  team batting first would definitely win.

 

Other than a bit of score board pressure, there shouldn't be any difficulty at all  if the team is a quality team. BAN of all teams showed that chasing  even huge scores is not at all a problem  even in  world cup critical situation  and they didn't even require great category batsmen either to do that. That being the case if these millions earning superstars with loads of experience  can't chase,  then they even don't deserve to play.

 

[zen]

India/Subcon is not designed for competitive sports in general so sports fan can get scared relatively easily when the team is facing a challenge

 

a) many prefer pointless tuktuk as it gives them piece of mind that the batsmen will not get out when many get out in playing relatively safe shots/tuktuk too (in almost every game, teams do lose wkts)

b) feel batting first is a good choice as perceived pressure appears to be less (irrespective of playing conditions, team composition and form .... and when teams have to be prepared to perform irrespective of the toss) 

c) In most games, the opposition will play well too. There will be a partnership, big shots hit, and their bowlers will pick up wkts. Many fans start feeling pressure when this happens. While acting as if only Ind should be scoring runs and picking up wkts

d) Some watch only to see Ind win irrespective of the quality of cricket 

Edited June 20, 2019 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

can't get this over emphasis on 'batting first' . If that is the case , then every team winning the toss should select batting first and after that  there should be no  play at all, because it is a given than  team batting first would definitely win.

 

Other than a bit of score board pressure, there shouldn't be any difficulty at all  if the team is a quality team. BAN of all teams showed that chasing  even huge scores is not at all a problem  even in  world cup critical situation  and they didn't even require great category batsmen either to do that. That being the case if these millions earning superstars with loads of experience  can't chase,  then they even don't deserve to play.

 

Chased against no 9 ranked side that beat them 8 out of 10 times Agsinst England they shut their shop from the first over

[Stuge]

12 hours ago, zen said:

Don't think Kohli has "ego" issues with Shastri

Shastri is Yes man :p... Won't dare to challenge him.

[MechEng]

15 hours ago, New guy said:

How did they score 350 against England then with bowlers like wood and archer?

Exactly, Kohli wanted Pak to make 350 against our bowlers too because he wanted to experience the high of nicking the ball to slips off a fired up Mohammad Amir.

 

Even after piling up runs in UK against ATG Anderson and Broad, nothing else gave him the same satisfaction as getting out cheap to West Punjabi brothers. @Gollum

 

 

[mishra]

3 hours ago, MechEng said:

Exactly, Kohli wanted Pak to make 350 against our bowlers too because he wanted to experience the high of nicking the ball to slips off a fired up Mohammad Amir.

 

Even after piling up runs in UK against ATG Anderson and Broad, nothing else gave him the same satisfaction as getting out cheap to West Punjabi brothers. @Gollum

 

 

Just because we won a game against a team which we should allways win doesn’t mean we let Kohli and his bullshit splatter all over.  

Fyki, Rohit beat the same Pakistani side immediately after , in Asia cup, without Kohli in side.

[mishra]

^ I rememeber Pakistani exprts and players makin fun of Indian experts and plyers on tele sayings during Asia Cup “ Don't say, You lost because Kohli wasn’t playing”.

 

Rohit rightly put them all in their place.