Take a bow Sir Jadeja

[goose]

all you stat gurus suck it. how is a player like that not the first pick on the team sheet?

[Pollack]

25 minutes ago, goose said:

all you stat gurus suck it. how is a player like that not the first pick on the team sheet?

Because he hadn't done before anything as such today. This was just 2nd good (impactwise) innings of Jadeja's odi career. Interestingly both against NZ.

[goose]

4 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Because he hadn't done before anything as such today. This was just 2nd good (impactwise) innings of Jadeja's odi career. Interestingly both against NZ.

so how did I know he had this performance in him? I’ve been rating  him above Pandya for yonks. notice nobody is panning Pandya for his hoick across the line. no they don’t give you hoicks in stat guru

Edited July 10, 2019 by goose

[nevada]

Played like a champ today. He showed plenty of heart and put the so called specialist batsmen to shame. If either Pant or Hardik could had managed to score a quick 20-25 runs before getting out, we might have made it.  

[haiwan]

4 hours ago, Virat_King_Kohli said:

Making that mumbai clown Manjrekar eating crow

cool down u clown don't bring mumbai or region here. Jadeja has still not won India any game with his bat. He is effective as a bowler in indian conditions and is a great fielder. that's set. Today he had the opportunity to win the game and become a hero but he wasted it. Even without dhongi's help, he could have done it.

Edited July 10, 2019 by haiwan

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

 

Well when u make ur critic acknowledge he was wrong ....

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

Well when u make ur critic acknowledge he was wrong ....

Credit where due 

[ViruDilSeKhelo]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

Well when u make ur critic acknowledge he was wrong ....

U too ;)  I believe you said his  batting was useless. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, ViruDilSeKhelo said:

U too ;)  I believe you said his  batting was useless. 

yea it has been for 10 yrs.....do u deny that ???? To be honest he plays an oustanding knock today but lets not forget he has been crap in LOI as batsman for 10 years. If he improves great......but he has been crap for 10 yrs

[Sooda]

To think I was all for selecting Krunal in the squad instead :)

[sandeep]

3 hours ago, goose said:

so how did I know he had this performance in him? I’ve been rating  him above Pandya for yonks. notice nobody is panning Pandya for his hoick across the line. no they don’t give you hoicks in stat guru

Pandya has delivered more games for India with the bat in 1/10th the games.  

 

He is still developing and improving as a batsman.  Unfair to make this comparison.  

[maniac]

5 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Pandya has delivered more games for India with the bat in 1/10th the games.  

 

He is still developing and improving as a batsman.  Unfair to make this comparison.  

Still developing? Is this a training academy? Sorry man but Pandya right now is like an awesome yatch you can afford if you have a billion $s in your account, has value but not when you are living paycheck to paycheck. Maybe extreme analogy but you get the picture.

 

International cricket needs finished goods who have a short learning curve to adapt.

 

it took 3 years for him to improve his bowling but still having him means we need to sit out a very good seamer be it Shami or Bhuvi or a batsman.

 

I am not going to say allrounders don’t exist but I do subscribe to the theory that specialist allrounder is another name for bits and pieces 

[sandeep]

4 minutes ago, maniac said:

Still developing? Is this a training academy? Sorry man but Pandya right now is like an awesome yatch you can afford if you have a billion $s in your account, has value but not when you are living paycheck to paycheck. Maybe extreme analogy but you get the picture.

 

International cricket needs finished goods who have a short learning curve to adapt.

 

it took 3 years for him to improve his bowling but still having him means we need to sit out a very good seamer be it Shami or Bhuvi or a batsman.

 

I am not going to say allrounders don’t exist but I do subscribe to the theory that specialist allrounder is another name for bits and pieces 

Shut up with your bias - Pandya played the role of a 5th bowler, and #6  bat to perfection the entire tournament.  He bowled more overs and took more wickets than Ben Stokes.  If not for him, we may not even have made the semi-finals. 

 

If he keeps up his current level of production, and never improves, he's still an automatic starter for this or any other ODI XI in cricket.  

 

* off with your bias, and go pronounce the next Ben Duckett as a "future ATG".

[ViruDilSeKhelo]

23 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yea it has been for 10 yrs.....do u deny that ???? To be honest he plays an oustanding knock today but lets not forget he has been crap in LOI as batsman for 10 years. If he improves great......but he has been crap for 10 yrs

I had a feeling you would say that. It hasn't been useless for 10 years but team management don't know how to use him and clearly he has talent. If you still think he cant bat we deserve tail like chahal and kula in all games. Anyway we are both sad today..let's hope kohli and shastri go. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, ViruDilSeKhelo said:

I had a feeling you would say that. It hasn't been useless for 10 years but team management don't know how to use him and clearly he has talent.

I somewhat agree he shudnt have been made to bat at 7...coz he doesnt have that ability. He cud have been better used at 5 when he has a lot of over like he had today 

or in 2011 knock in eng when we were whitewashed 

5 minutes ago, ViruDilSeKhelo said:

 If you still think he cant bat we deserve tail like chahal and kula in all games. Anyway we are both sad today..let's hope kohli and shastri go. 

I still think he cannot bat at 7....if he has to be used its at 5 or 6 where atleast he gets more over. 

Chahal himself will soon struggle for a place coz guys like gopal, chahar, markhande can bat 

[goose]

25 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Pandya has delivered more games for India with the bat in 1/10th the games.  

 

He is still developing and improving as a batsman.  Unfair to make this comparison.  

He is and always will be our Lance Klusener. There is no serenity to his batting. It has to be a lost cause or a mad dart for runs at the end of an innings. Did anyone seriously think Pandya was going to go big today - like seriously? Jadeja grows into an innings, doesn't need boundaries to feel secure. I might have gleaned that from his recent test batting more so than one-day which just strenghtens my arguement if anything i dont care what his stats are. When you really need someone to go big in that one knock, who is your money on?

Edited July 10, 2019 by goose

[First class]

11 hours ago, Stradlater said:

Arguably,  the greatest Indian fielder of all time. 

Absolutely, no one comes even close. 

[First class]

Fielding, bowling and batting, was magnificent in all departments. 

[sandeep]

12 minutes ago, goose said:

He is and always will be our Lance Klusener. There is no serenity to his batting. It has to be a lost cause or a mad dart for runs at the end of an innings. Did anyone seriously think Pandya was going to go big today - like seriously? Jadeja grows into an innings, doesn't need boundaries to feel secure. I might have gleaned that from his recent test batting more so than one-day which just strenghtens my arguement if anything i dont care what his stats are. When you really need someone to go big in that one knock, who is your money on?

I understand that a guy like you keys in on probabilities.  And you look at Pandya as an 'unsafe' bet.  That's the nature of his batting toolkit.  But I think you are under-rating him.  A bit.  

 

And try to take a deep breath, flush out your euphoria on being right about Jadeja, and then re-consider your statement about Jadeja 'growing' into an innings.  Did you seriously think Jadeja was going to "go big" today?  He played an absolute unicorn of an innings, profited from a whole bunch of airy fairy swipes that fell short or into no man's land.  It was only a matter of time before he was going to be dismissed going for one too many.  Jadeja's ODI batting record underwhelms you with its consistent mediocrity, precisely because he has a limited toolkit as a batsman - an inability to hit good balls for boundaries with any sort of consistency or minimal risk. 

 

Pandya, for all his pigeon-holing as a 'mad dart', is a guy who plays the high elbow cover drive, and straight drive - early and often.  And has done it against top shelf bowling.  You are not being objective here.  I'm saying that as someone who holds your opinion in fairly high regard.  

 

 

Edited July 10, 2019 by sandeep

[goose]

6 minutes ago, First class said:

Fielding, bowling and batting, was magnificent in all departments. 

and not a hint of fluke about any of it.