India cricket never lacked talent, it just lacked direction

[mancalledsting]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28382046/how-ishant-sharma-left-unlucky-behind

 

classic case, laughing stock, lost case, written off by all and sundry in Indian circles. In steps Jason Gillespie (level headed and credentialed gora) and suddenly his potential gets unleashed 

Edited December 28, 2019 by mancalledsting

[Ankit_sharma03]

The inference was that Ishant was not unlucky but was bowling shorter than the length that draws edges. Commentators knew it, hardcore fans knew it, casual fans knew it, coaches and captains knew it. It was almost as if everyone but Ishant knew it. "The problem here is, everybody knows what the problem is," Ishant says now. "'But nobody shows you the solution. Those who can find you a solution, they are good coaches and mentors." Apart from the frustration at not being able to find a solution, this is also an earnest admission that he didn't know, that he was lost.

It wasn't as if Ishant didn't try adjusting the length. Except that when he did, he would end up floating the ball up. "Everybody kept telling me, you have to bowl the full ball just as fast, but nobody told me how to do it."

 

That was until he found Jason Gillespie, the Sussex head coach, when he played a season of county cricket in 2018. The problem was, Ishant was just releasing the ball when he tried to pitch it up. He needed to find a way to hit that fuller length hard. Gillespie made him move away from the old practice of trying to hit the cones placed at a full length on the pitch. He asked him to hit the batsman's pads, at the level of the knee roll. Forget where you are pitching it, concentrate on hitting the knee of the batsman as hard as you can.

"The practice is almost similar, but the outcome is vastly different," Ishant says. "What he told me made my full ball fast too."

 

 

From article 

[tweaker]

That was until he found Jason Gillespie, the Sussex head coach, when he played a season of county cricket in 2018. The problem was, Ishant was just releasing the ball when he tried to pitch it up. He needed to find a way to hit that fuller length hard. Gillespie made him move away from the old practice of trying to hit the cones placed at a full length on the pitch. He asked him to hit the batsman's pads, at the level of the knee roll. Forget where you are pitching it, concentrate on hitting the knee of the batsman as hard as you can.

 

A good coach can make the difference.

 

Who was the bowling coach at that time and why he was not able to sort Ishant 'problem .

With a good coach Umesh and Aaron also would have developed in to good bowlers

Edited December 28, 2019 by tweaker

[putrevus]

Credit needs to be given to Ishant Sharma, he was already an established player but he put his ego aside and learnt from his coach.I don't think Ishant still has ability to run thru batting lineups.

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Player shud  go to county atleast for 1 season, we mentioned here for ishant for years .....high time umesh, bhuvi also goes .  Now that we have diff players for Diff format every year few player can go to county after IPL

[mancalledsting]

43 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Credit needs to be given to Ishant Sharma, he was already an established player but he put his ego aside and learnt from his coach.I don't think Ishant still has ability to run thru batting lineups.

 

maybe not but the overall package now is so so much better than what we had before 

[putrevus]

34 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

maybe not but the overall package now is so so much better than what we had before 

He sure is very very good now.All three combined have become just great.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

The inference was that Ishant was not unlucky but was bowling shorter than the length that draws edges. Commentators knew it, hardcore fans knew it, casual fans knew it, coaches and captains knew it. It was almost as if everyone but Ishant knew it. "The problem here is, everybody knows what the problem is," Ishant says now. "'But nobody shows you the solution. Those who can find you a solution, they are good coaches and mentors." Apart from the frustration at not being able to find a solution, this is also an earnest admission that he didn't know, that he was lost.

It wasn't as if Ishant didn't try adjusting the length. Except that when he did, he would end up floating the ball up. "Everybody kept telling me, you have to bowl the full ball just as fast, but nobody told me how to do it."

 

That was until he found Jason Gillespie, the Sussex head coach, when he played a season of county cricket in 2018. The problem was, Ishant was just releasing the ball when he tried to pitch it up. He needed to find a way to hit that fuller length hard. Gillespie made him move away from the old practice of trying to hit the cones placed at a full length on the pitch. He asked him to hit the batsman's pads, at the level of the knee roll. Forget where you are pitching it, concentrate on hitting the knee of the batsman as hard as you can.

"The practice is almost similar, but the outcome is vastly different," Ishant says. "What he told me made my full ball fast too."

 

 

From article 

Another one of the reason India do need coach who have played good amount of international cricket. With all due respect to bharat arun he has done a great job but he will never have that exp of challenges that international cricketers faces at diff times in career. These days team can have 2-3 coaches like MI has it or have a main coach , asst coach . 

[G_B_]

Maybe finally being part of a pack for the first time ever helps

[Cricwala]

On 12/28/2019 at 9:26 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

The inference was that Ishant was not unlucky but was bowling shorter than the length that draws edges. Commentators knew it, hardcore fans knew it, casual fans knew it, coaches and captains knew it. It was almost as if everyone but Ishant knew it. "The problem here is, everybody knows what the problem is," Ishant says now. "'But nobody shows you the solution. Those who can find you a solution, they are good coaches and mentors." Apart from the frustration at not being able to find a solution, this is also an earnest admission that he didn't know, that he was lost.

It wasn't as if Ishant didn't try adjusting the length. Except that when he did, he would end up floating the ball up. "Everybody kept telling me, you have to bowl the full ball just as fast, but nobody told me how to do it."

 

That was until he found Jason Gillespie, the Sussex head coach, when he played a season of county cricket in 2018. The problem was, Ishant was just releasing the ball when he tried to pitch it up. He needed to find a way to hit that fuller length hard. Gillespie made him move away from the old practice of trying to hit the cones placed at a full length on the pitch. He asked him to hit the batsman's pads, at the level of the knee roll. Forget where you are pitching it, concentrate on hitting the knee of the batsman as hard as you can.

"The practice is almost similar, but the outcome is vastly different," Ishant says. "What he told me made my full ball fast too."

 

 

From article 

This is a telling indictment of bharat arun. It's a shame BCCI hasn't been able to churn out world class coaches and umpires yet.  A guy like Gilespie would be so great to have to work with new guys like Saini, Siraj, Rajpoot, Mavi etc

[New guy]

What can a coach do when captain was literally spoon feeding the fast bowlers and asking him to bowl short every delivery on the field after setting negative fields for him?

[vvvslaxman]

India needs atleast 2 or 3 strong fast bowlers as backups. These guys could all break down at the exact same time. 

[retired_hurt]

Says a lot about people making decisions when someone like Jonty Rhodes is discarded over Sridhar. 

[gakgupta]

Lol....
A county coach has figured out a way to solve his issue while the Indian coach couldn't do much about it....

It's a shame that a "country's coach is less skillful than a county's coach"

Immediately pull this guy into the coaching staff and have him work with Rahul Dravid for india A nd U19 teams

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[ShoonyaSifar]

Talking about the last 10-12 years, we had a captain who thought playing Away Tests was a practice and preparation for home tests. Did not have his heart into Test cricket but led us for 7 years, was elevated as Test captain a few months after missing SL Tests in 2008 due to IPL fatigue. Not surprisingly, we were at no. 7 when he ran away mid-way from a Test series in Aus.

 

These were the people leading us in Test cricket, had zero accountability, results outside India never mattered, all that mattered to them was the interest of captain’s buddies. What else we expect under such leaders?
 

Any player who has improved in Indian cricket is purely on their own efforts working mostly with their childhood coaches. But to keep the TM happy (and thus to keep their place safe), they have to  publicly praise/credit the national team captain/coaches, but deep within, they know who their real mentor is/was.

[Norman]

9 hours ago, retired_hurt said:

Says a lot about people making decisions when someone like Jonty Rhodes is discarded over Sridhar. 

Come on ! 

 

Can Jonty giggle like him after drop catches ? There's your answer.