Sanjay Manjrekar: "Pressure has to be put on Rishabh Pant to be more consistent"

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

71(64) and a great partnership with Iyer, 39(16) previous to that - these were his knocks vs WI. Impact innings?

 

Only the 71 was.

[express bowling]

Pant is giving me comfort only as a test player now.

 

Needs to work on his LOI game.

[prudent_kreeda]

No one should lose sleep if pant is dropped for the time being . He is there most probably till NZ tour .If he is total failure , let him be dropped . 

Let him go back and put in work.  Try next alternative . 

What should happen is , by the looks of it Pant & Samson are identified as future Short Format WK. If so you should test them for a good 15-20 matches . No point again going back to DK  etc. It should be youngsters only and you should not try  4-5 options with 4-5 matches to each.  

That where assessment of potential by selectors & TM is crucial. 

 

[Straight Drive]

In whatever matches Rahul, Iyer, Pant and Gill have played, only Iyer has performed and shown that if one has quality he can deliver a good ODI average and a good ODI strike rate. He is the one who deserves a spot in ODI 11 .Clearly the best of the new lot.

 

[Frustrated]

28 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

In whatever matches Rahul, Iyer, Pant and Gill have played, only Iyer has performed and shown that if one has quality he can deliver a good ODI average and a good ODI strike rate. He is the one who deserves a spot in ODI 11 .Clearly the best of the new lot.

 

Iyer has shown lot of promise. But needs to improve his game against fast bowlers sooner than later.  His struggle against quality seam bowling is evident. 

[Straight Drive]

7 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Iyer has shown lot of promise. But needs to improve his game against fast bowlers sooner than later.  His struggle against quality seam bowling is evident. 

Averaging 43 at  sr 103 inspite of the struggle you mentioned. That combo is probably the best of all new players in ODI cricket amongst all teams.

[Cricwala]

1 hour ago, shortbread said:

Pant is only 21 so plenty of time left to fix his flaws. He is very promising, attacking player, excellent timing and a competent keeper. With age on his side he will only get better. 

 

My only qualm is that Pant is struggling in the national side. The pressure, focus, expectations have all taken a toll. This is no more the trailblazing youngster we saw at the start of 2019. So why prolong this suffering when he can work on his game elsewhere?

 

 

Yeah, he should be dropped now, but not just for 3-4 months like u suggest but for atleast 1 year so he gets 1 full domestic season away from glare. Even KL was unnecessarily brought back into ODIs when clearly TM is still not sold on him. He shld hv been used only for T20s and otherwise released for FC, A tours.

[Cricwala]

1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

make him opener. That is the best for the team.

And drop both Dhawan and KL? No chance in hell that Kohli would even consider this idea. Pant will be dropped shortly and KL win don the gloves...then after IPL, anything's possible as Shaz said 

[Autonomous]

2 hours ago, SK_IH said:

Tbh, apart from this forum I have not come across any fans of Pant or his batting. Infact I have only come across his critics. 

I still believe he can only be successful in opening slot. Batting in middle order in ODIs is an extremely difficult art. 

Agreed, batting in middle order is very difficult for LOIs, you need to be a very versatile player to do that, you should have aura of calmness in case of collapse as well as fire to finish things off, this is why someone like Misbah was very good specially in early part of his career as a middle order player (started playing alot slower in later part of career due to age).

 

Plus batting in middle overs will expose you to different challenges from spin bowling to a random in between change towards pace (will test patience, focus and game scenario analysis).  

 

Pant will struggle like Rohit as a middle order player. 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Here we are talking about consistency he was never consistent. Pant played well last series. Raina for his consistecy got dropped at start

That approach came with less risk taking which made him a diff player that approach wont work today with increased target. Today we need someone in butler mould not dhoni

U want pant who has played 1-2 yrs to bat like dhoni raina yuvi with 5-7 yrs of international cricket maturity thats not possible

Raina's ODI average is more than Pant's List A average. Maybe you'd like to take a look at that before hyping up Pant in ODIs.

 

We don't need Butler right now. Stop comparing us with England. We don't even have a Morgan and Stokes and you want Butler. 

 

Dhoni after one year of playing ODI cricket was already averaging over 45. In 2 years, he was already the ICC No. 1 ranked ODI Batsman. Obviously, you can't find batsmen who play like that at the international level so easily, but I'm sure you could find players who are doing better than Pant is doing in ODIs right now. Even Samson would be averaging more than 27 if he got the chance.

[Ankit_sharma03]

11 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

Raina's ODI average is more than Pant's List A average. Maybe you'd like to take a look at that before hyping up Pant in ODIs.

Raina ODI avg didnt become that in one day 

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We don't need Butler right now. Stop comparing us with England. We don't even have a Morgan and Stokes and you want Butler. 

Butler, morgon, stokes didnt become top players overnight 

give our players that time before u compare to them

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Dhoni after one year of playing ODI cricket was already averaging over 45. In 2 years, he was already the ICC No. 1 ranked ODI Batsman. Obviously, you can't find batsmen who play like that at the international level so easily, but I'm sure you could find players who are doing better than Pant is doing in ODIs right now. Even Samson would be averaging more than 27 if he got the chance.

dhoni was 25-26 when he debut pant is 21, far more mature

dhoni, kohli, bumrah were among very few who was consistent from start rarely ull find many like them. For short term ull find players doing better like how even likes of rayudu did well in short term. u need to identify players for long term n back them....thats investment. Now is the time to invest not when u near Wc

 

Samson isnt even consistent for his state or IPL side , doesnt even keep wkts for state or IPL side

Edited January 14, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[express bowling]

Navdeep Saini was bowling at express pace and bowling really well in FC since 2017-18.  But is yet yet to debut in tests, despite being 27.

 

Md.Siraj picked up 40 wickets from only 5 Unofficial Tests in 2018. Shardul debuted in tests and he has not played a single test 

 

Shubman Gill is still waiting in the wings despite being a superlative FC performer and being considered.a rare talent.

 

Shivam Mavi was not a part of our Unofficial Test team ( before injury )  despite bowling 145 k+ and averaging in the low 20s in FC 

 

Prasidh Krishna was not a part of our 50 over A-team ... despite bowling 140 k to 150 k and bowling well in the shorter formats.

 

Pant has been put under undue pressure by some loose statements by the TM, selectors and commentators. 

 

But he is getting a lot of chances, unlike the players mentioned above.  It is high time he performs a bit better as a LOI batsman.

Edited January 14, 2020 by express bowling

[Global.Baba]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

Pant has been put under undue pressure by some loose statements by the TM, selectors and commentators. 

 

But he is getting a lot of chances, unlike the players mentioned above.  It is high time he performs a bit better as a LOI batsman.

Great post. People tend to forget that a lot of promising players were dropped early on after a lot of chances that they didn’t cash in on so that they can go back and work their game.

 

My only concern is Pant being lost in the shuffle.

 

If TM actually either  have people keeping an eye on his progress or themselves keep a track of him I am all up for him being out of the scheme of things for a while . I think Saha has him covered in tests and LoI there are other guys who can be tried. 
 

However TM is useless and my fear is Pant will be falling off the radar, so for his sake and ours as fans hope he picks up soon because clock is ticking.
 

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Raina ODI avg didnt become that in one day 

Butler, morgon, stokes didnt become top players overnight 

give our players that time before u compare to them

dhoni was 25-26 when he debut pant is 21, far more mature

dhoni, kohli, bumrah were among very few who was consistent from start rarely ull find many like them. For short term ull find players doing better like how even likes of rayudu did well in short term. u need to identify players for long term n back them....thats investment. Now is the time to invest not when u near Wc

Samson isnt even consistent for his state or IPL side , doesnt even keep wkts for state or IPL side

After 16 ODIs, Raina was averaging 48.33. Rishabh Pant 26.71.

 

Shreyas Iyer is also new. How many people online complain about him? Stop using the fact that he is new as an excuse for everything. You're the one who's comparing him to Butler and now you're saying don't compare them.

 

If you're "far more mature" at 25-26 then let Pant go play domestic till then. Play Samson who's older.

 

Samson averages more than Pant does in List A cricket. He can't do a whole lot worse than Pant is right now.

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 hours ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

After 16 ODIs, Raina was averaging 48.33. Rishabh Pant 26.71.

 

Shreyas Iyer is also new. How many people online complain about him? Stop using the fact that he is new as an excuse for everything. You're the one who's comparing him to Butler and now you're saying don't compare them.

 

If you're "far more mature" at 25-26 then let Pant go play domestic till then. Play Samson who's older.

 

Samson averages more than Pant does in List A cricket. He can't do a whole lot worse than Pant is right now.

after 15 games more raina avg went in 25-26 around 30 odi.....my point thats how inconsitent he was

 

Raina played under MS....he knw his place is as secure as dhoni

pant plays in a team which giving him impression that dhoni will come or rahul will take over gloves

 

Iyer has played far more then pant in domestic n again age diff

 

Wait for sometime ppl will complain about iyer to. 

N what has samsom done to be ahead

Never been consistent on domestic, pant made 1000 in a season. Pant has dominated him in IPL. Mostly samson doesnt keep regularly for his state or IPL side. Samson runs mostly come in top 3 where there is no vacancy. What makes u think samson will be consistent 

Edited January 15, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Rasgulla]

millions of excuses for this guy. Poor samson 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

after 15 games more raina avg went in 25-26 around 30 odi.....my point thats how inconsitent he was

 

Raina played under MS....he knw his place is as secure as dhoni

pant plays in a team which giving him impression that dhoni will come or rahul will take over gloves

 

Iyer has played far more then pant in domestic n again age diff

 

Wait for sometime ppl will complain about iyer to. 

N what has samsom done to be ahead

Never been consistent on domestic, pant made 1000 in a season. Pant has dominated him in IPL. Mostly samson doesnt keep regularly for his state or IPL side. Samson runs mostly come in top 3 where there is no vacancy. What makes u think samson will be consistent 

Raina started out with 48 and ended up at 35. Pant starting out at 26 and will end up at... 15?

 

By the time Dhoni became ODI captain, Raina was already a regular in the ODI set-up anyway.

 

This is international cricket. If Pant can't deal with his place being in danger then that speaks volumes about his mental fragility. Either cope up with the pressure of international cricket or make way for someone else.

 

I'm not a big fan of Samson, but he doesn't have to do much because Pant already set the standard pretty low. The one thing you know about Samson is that he won't get out playing blind Afridi-esque swings to cow corner in crunch situations.

 

Pant hasn't done well in List A cricket anyway so he's not owed anything in ODIs. 

[Suhaan]

Pant has to address his unbalanced legside hoicks ,good bowlers will always find it too easy to knock him down

 

[nevada]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

Pant has to address his unbalanced legside hoicks ,good bowlers will always find it too easy to knock him down

 

He is capable of run a ball with straight batted shots but can't seem to resist the urge to play those cheeky leg side shots. Also, he needs to cut out lofted shots to balls way wide of off-stump.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

Raina started out with 48 and ended up at 35. Pant starting out at 26 and will end up at... 15?

Ru sure ?? Coz their is no guarntee

Guys like Yuvi n rohit started low n ended up very high 

 

Pant is way more evolved at this age then raina was

3 hours ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

By the time Dhoni became ODI captain, Raina was already a regular in the ODI set-up anyway.

Nope he lost his place under dravid n chappell n made a comeback under dhoni 

3 hours ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

This is international cricket. If Pant can't deal with his place being in danger then that speaks volumes about his mental fragility. Either cope up with the pressure of international cricket or make way for someone else.

he is 21 we need to cut down our expectation

3 hours ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

I'm not a big fan of Samson, but he doesn't have to do much because Pant already set the standard pretty low. The one thing you know about Samson is that he won't get out playing blind Afridi-esque swings to cow corner in crunch situations.

 

Pant hasn't done well in List A cricket anyway so he's not owed anything in ODIs. 

We all have acknowled how crap List A is....they play on such poor surfaces....going by list A someone like pandya shudnt have been in team

Go n check the surfaces on which Vijay hazare is played

A guy who scored 100 in Aus n Eng shudnt be even questioned on his ability. He has ability thats it.....marnus labuschane avg 28 in domestic when those guys backed him