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Chinese government, especially their present president is big supporter of TCM. Actually, those Chinese people who don't believe in TCM, they are considered as traitor to China. 

 

Whatever, real question is if TCM is really effective against Coronavirus?

 

And I wonder where is Ayurveda? 

 

I see that Chinese government is aggressively promoting TCM against Coronavirus,  but I don't hear anything about Ayurveda anywhere. 

 

 

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TCM is total BS .. how dumb these Chinese are :wall: 

 

there are nutcases who say ayurveda can cure hiv as well .. but i see ayurveda as preventive or slow cure ..

 

cant compete with allopathy .. they are far advanced and keep advancing , but ayurveda is still same what it was 1000 years before

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2 minutes ago, diga said:

TCM for me is always  Trellis coded modulation..  whats it for China? :thinking:

 

traditional Chinese medicine 

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40 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Chinese government, especially their present president is big supporter of TCM. Actually, those Chinese people who don't believe in TCM, they are considered as traitor to China. 

 

Whatever, real question is if TCM is really effective against Coronavirus?

 

And I wonder where is Ayurveda? 

 

I see that Chinese government is aggressively promoting TCM against Coronavirus,  but I don't hear anything about Ayurveda anywhere. 

 

 

Why are you so keen on lumping Ayurveda with some nonsensical Chinese BS? 

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37 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

Why are you so keen on lumping Ayurveda with some nonsensical Chinese BS? 

I am "open" to all new things which I don't know. whether it is is TCM or Ayurveda, it does not effect me, provided they really have something to offer against the coronavirus. 

 

Actually, I have seen HAKEEMS in Pakistan, who also use the herbs to cure. I don't know what exactly the difference is between these Hakeems and Ayurveda, or if they are the same thing. 

 

Chinese government is aggressively promoting TCM, by claiming that it was due to the TCM that they got only 3000 deaths due to the coronavirus, while the death rate in US and other EU countries is very high, despite having all the modern medical facilities. 

 

Chinese are also providing these TCM Formulas, which they used in the corona patients, along with scientific studies that recovery rate was much better in the groups of patients who used TCM in comparison to those who didn't use it. 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, velu said:

TCM is total BS .. how dumb these Chinese are :wall: 

 

there are nutcases who say ayurveda can cure hiv as well .. but i see ayurveda as preventive or slow cure ..

 

cant compete with allopathy .. they are far advanced and keep advancing , but ayurveda is still same what it was 1000 years before

And I have seen Mullahs advertising on facebook that camel urine could cure HIV. 

 

On serious side, why can Ayurveda not be used as an"additional" cure to strengthen the immune system? 

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1 hour ago, Clarke said:

For some people, life's goal is to create false equivalence & demand perfection from the Endians.

Bro, please don't misunderstand me. I am not criticising Ayurveda. 

 

(1) Why do you think that TCM is bogus, while Ayurveda is genuine? 

While I put all herbal cures (either Hakeem or TCM or Ayurveda or Western herbal cures) to almost the same level, while all of them are coming from almost the same herbal origin. 

 

(2) I was not criticising TCM itself, but I was criticising the extreme nationalistic behaviour of Chinese Government where it's support to TCM has gone to blind limits, and any Chinese person who does not believe in it, he is automatically declared a traitor. 

 

(3) And I am really interested to know if any Ayurvedic cure has been suggested in India as immune support against the coronavirus? 

In West, the are suggesting Bromelain and Zinc. 

In China, they are suggesting mixture of 22 Chinese herbs. 

In Arabic world, they are suggesting things like black seed oil. 

 

Therefore, I asked a question about Ayurveda too, while I could imagine that Ayurveda could be helpful as an additional protocol. 

coffee_rules Grand Master

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Ayurveda was at one time equivalent to allopathy , it is about treatment using research methods, recording the effect of  herbs on the body  and changing / correcting it if disproven. After modern science took over, Ayurvedic research was neglected, stopped and even copied from to allopathy without disclosing the source of some of the herbal medicine and digesting them as pure research. It is not equivalent to some hakeem or TCM believing that the cure is based on a some magic/taveez or some illogical mindless theory. Ayurveda doesn't disntinguish between virus and bacteria as we know , but all are krimis and disease (vyadhi) from it is an external effect on the body.  They know that certain metals like copper and silver resist krimis and hence in india people using copper vessels for cooking and storing water. Silver plates to eat in. It is more naturally hygenic. 

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The traditional medicines of India, China, Greek (unani) were all developed in an era where lifestyles were physically active and minimum pollution. These medicines were meant to cure diseases of that era where cancer, covid 19, dengue, malaria, tuberculosis and other exotic diseases were unknown.

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4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Ayurveda was at one time equivalent to allopathy , it is about treatment using research methods, recording the effect of  herbs on the body  and changing / correcting it if disproven. After modern science took over, Ayurvedic research was neglected, stopped and even copied from to allopathy without disclosing the source of some of the herbal medicine and digesting them as pure research. It is not equivalent to some hakeem or TCM believing that the cure is based on a some magic/taveez or some illogical mindless theory. Ayurveda doesn't disntinguish between virus and bacteria as we know , but all are krimis and disease (vyadhi) from it is an external effect on the body.  They know that certain metals like copper and silver resist krimis and hence in india people using copper vessels for cooking and storing water. Silver plates to eat in. It is more naturally hygenic. 

Practitioners of Unani medicine are called Hakeems. 

Hakeems are recognised and regulated by the Ministry of AYUSH. At par with Ayurveda practitioners. 

Hakeems don't hand out taveezs or indulge in illogical theory. You seem to have some serious misconceptions.

Kader Khan's character from Muqadar ka Sikandar is not a hakeem. :p:

 

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15 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Practitioners of Unani medicine are called Hakeems. 

Hakeems are recognised and regulated by the Ministry of AYUSH. At par with Aryurveda practitioners. 

Hakeems don't hand out taveezs or indulge in illogical theory. You seem to have some serious misconceptions.

Kader Khan's character from Muqadar ka Sikandar is not a hakeem. :p:

 

:hysterical: sorry didn’t know. My knowledge of Hakeems are limited from watching such YouTube university videos about some Nushka 

 

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5 hours ago, Stradlater said:

@coffee_rules Hakims were Muslim equivalents of vaidyas. Used to be very popular till the end of the 20th century I believe. Don't see them around much these days. 

I see these Hakeems every where in Pakistan, mostly (95% perhaps) with Banners of: "100% successful cure of Sexual Weakness .... " :--D

 

Is it the same with Vaids in India?

 

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4 hours ago, Stradlater said:

@coffee_rules Hakims were Muslim equivalents of vaidyas. Used to be very popular till the end of the 20th century I believe. Don't see them around much these days. 

 

5 hours ago, Mariyam said:

@coffee_rules

 

Hakeem, like Vaid/Vaidya/Baid has become a generic family name.

At some point of time, the ancestors of the people with the family name Hakeem were medical practitioners.

 

 

I know who Hakeems are, but not that it is based on some sort of formal science and part of AYUSH or some formal machinery like Ayurveda. Probably, because it has been stereotyped in movies, novels etc. I have not bothered to learn more.

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Moderator's note - Disinformation Propaganda posted below.

 

Chinese academician tong xiaolin said in a interview that the success rate of a traditional Chinese medicine formula called "lung-clearing and detoxification soup" Chinese name is (清肺排毒汤）has reached 97%. As of March 13, 1261 infected Coronavirus patients in 10 provinces 1102 had been cured, 29 had disappeared, and 71 had improved.Among in 40 severe patients，28 patients were discharged after taking the medicine. 12 cases were treated in hospital, and 10 cases got better from heavy to light".

 

 

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