Did you ever think that a pacer will manage to take 600 test wickets?

[Trichromatic]

Anderson is there now. 

 

Broad will follow him. 

[Nikola]

Possible if

• Home Conditions are suitable for you
• You team plays many test matches every year
• You play only one format of the game at international level
• You maintain good fitness level

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by Nikola

[Ajju]

Broad vs Anderson

who is better: Even Broad will take 600 imo

[cricketfan28]

No. 

[diga]

Imagine the number of wickets Richard Hadlee would have taken had NZ played the same number of test matches as Eng do in each year .. 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

Aussies digging through Jimmy’s stats...

 

 

 

[zen]

Getting to 600 test wickets or 15k test runs because of playing more games is not a ground breaking exercise. Therefore, I do not worry too much about that. 

 

 

[maniac]

16 minutes ago, zen said:

Getting to 600 test wickets or 15k test runs because of playing more games is not a ground breaking exercise. Therefore, I do not worry too much about that. 

 

 

You make it seem like playing 100+ international games in the test format is a piece of cake. It takes patience,love, dedication to motivate yourself to put in the hard yards at nearly 40 years of age. If you think that is tough for a batsman to keep going we are talking about a fast bowler here.

 

Also to get to 600 wickets to also means you have been consistent to keep being in the scheme of things.

 

I don’t care of a guy who takes 100 wickets at an average of 10 after 10 games, the term for that is flash in the pan.

 

Have you heard of words like tapasya and sadhana in Indian culture it is pretty much this.

[zen]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

You make it seem like playing 100+ international games in the test format is a piece of cake. It takes patience,love, dedication to motivate yourself to put in the hard yards at nearly 40 years of age. If you think that is tough for a batsman to keep going we are talking about a fast bowler here.

 

Also to get to 600 wickets to also means you have been consistent to keep being in the scheme of things.

 

I don’t care of a guy who takes 100 wickets at an average of 10 after 10 games, the term for that is flash in the pan.

 

Have you heard of words like tapasya and sadhana in Indian culture it is pretty much this.

Playing more games is not a new phenomenon. For most parts, the number of games played per year has gone up, allowing you to make the most of good form. 

Among bowlers, Walsh went past 500, Anderson now 600. Ambrose has 400 wkts and I rate him higher than these two

 

[maniac]

Broad and Anderson are tier 2 ATG’s and no one can take that away from them. They earned it. I put them in the same league as Waqar,Dennis Lillee,Kumble etc 

[maniac]

Just now, zen said:

Playing more games is not a new phenomenon. For most parts, the number of games played per year has gone up, allowing you to make the most of good form. 

Among bowlers, Walsh went past 500, Anderson now 600. Ambrose has 400 wkts and I rate him higher than these two

 

Sure but you can’t take away their effort and accomplishments or write  them off. They are ATG’s and they earned it. What tier you want to put them is subjective.

[nevada]

26 minutes ago, zen said:

Getting to 600 test wickets or 15k test runs because of playing more games is not a ground breaking exercise. Therefore, I do not worry too much about that. 

 

 

Plus tailor-made conditions at home. One could say kudos to longevity but that's about it. 

[maniac]

Just now, nevada said:

Plus tailor-made conditions at home. One could say kudos to longevity but that's about it. 

It’s not like every bowler is doing that. They had Harrison,Hoggard,Tremlett,Finn etc etc but only 2 names have consistently delivered.

 

Even if it is home conditions you have to deliver.

[Vilander]

When Sachin/Dravid did it in batting we were ok - for great players Longevity = good looking records. Now its turn for Anderson Broad to do it in bowling - we should be ok still. 

[zen]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

Sure but you can’t take away their effort and accomplishments or write  them off. They are ATG’s and they earned it. What tier you want to put them is subjective.

Who has done that? I simply said that I do not worry about such numbers.

If Anderson had retired with 500 test wickets, that is fine

[nevada]

12 minutes ago, Vilander said:

When Sachin/Dravid did it in batting we were ok - for great players Longevity = good looking records. Now its turn for Anderson Broad to do it in bowling - we should be ok still. 

Both were good outside their home conditions also. Broad and Anderson aren't. They are like Mahela who racked up tons upon tons of runs at home. 

Edited August 26, 2020 by nevada

[nevada]

9 minutes ago, zen said:

Who has done that? I simply said that I do not worry about such numbers.

If Anderson had retired with 500 test wickets, that is fine

I was hoping that the 5th day would be entirely washed out with Anderson stranded on 599 followed by a quit when you are ahead retirement!

[Vilander]

5 minutes ago, nevada said:

Both were good outside their home conditions also. Broad and Anderson aren't. They are like Mahela who racked up tons upon tons of runs at home. 

when Mahela and Dilshan then.

[Norman]

3 hours ago, zen said:

Getting to 600 test wickets or 15k test runs because of playing more games is not a ground breaking exercise. Therefore, I do not worry too much about that. 

 

 

 

Ahh shît here we go again.....

[maniac]

3 hours ago, zen said:

Who has done that? I simply said that I do not worry about such numbers.

If Anderson had retired with 500 test wickets, that is fine

Why should he retire? He is playing because he still has a place in the side. 
 

The wickets are byproduct of his longevity, you seem to be stuck on that part.

 

How about his longevity is a result of his performances.

 

His performances are a result of still showing up with the same intensity, training,practicing, keeping himself fit and adapting to the ever changing landscape of the cricket world?

 

In fact I respect longevity. I have followed cricket now for nearly 30 years and I believe you are in the same age demographic as me, how much do you think cricket has changed in the last 10 years leave alone 30?

 

To me Bradman, Richards etc were the greatest of that era because they were head and shoulders above their peers, Steyn on the other hand is an ATG of the current era.

 

There are a select few like Sachin,McGrath and to some extent Wasim Akram who have played in multiple eras so they are rated higher.

 

As far as Anderson goes yes he is not in the top tier for all the caveats but still he on my book is definitely the top 10 fast bowler of all time based on his records. Broad I will put him in the top 15.