Indian batsmen in 4th inning outside subcon

[zen]

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Primary team India

Opposition team Australia   or England   or New Zealand   or South Africa or West Indies

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 1970

Wicketkeeper not as wicketkeeper

Innings in match 4th innings

Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 200   and matches played greater than or equal to 5

Ordered by batting average (descending)

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
SM Gavaskar	1971-1986	18	17	4	984	221	75.69	4	5	1
M Prabhakar	1990-1993	7	6	2	212	67*	53.00	0	3	0
R Dravid	1996-2012	25	25	9	807	103*	50.43	1	5	0
M Amarnath	1976-1986	7	6	1	245	86	49.00	0	2	0
V Kohli	2011-2018	15	14	1	622	141	47.84	2	4	2
GR Viswanath	1971-1982	14	13	3	446	112	44.60	1	3	1
AM Rahane	2014-2018	10	9	2	276	52*	39.42	0	2	1
VVS Laxman	1997-2012	23	20	4	545	74	34.06	0	3	1
SC Ganguly	1996-2008	17	15	3	402	101*	33.50	1	1	2
M Vijay	2011-2018	11	11	0	315	99	28.63	0	2	0
V Sehwag	2001-2012	10	8	0	227	65	28.37	0	2	1
SR Tendulkar	1990-2012	31	26	5	592	119*	28.19	1	3	2
DB Vengsarkar	1976-1992	16	15	1	387	78	27.64	0	3	1
M Azharuddin	1985-1999	16	10	1	241	106	26.77	1	0	0
S Dhawan	2014-2018	9	9	0	210	115	23.33	1	0	1

Gavaskar avg 76 w/ 4 100s including the 221 at Oval in 1979 

Edited August 27, 2020 by zen

[Trichromatic]

Any reason why Dhoni was excluded?

[coffee_rules]

Why only 4th innings? You should include both 3rd and 4th innings.

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Any reason why Dhoni was excluded?

Specialist batsman. If you are interested in Dhoni, his avg is 33

[zen]

Among the ones in 70s-80s team - Not surprised to see Amarnath among the top batsmen. Happy to see Vishwanath among the top batsmen too as my impression of him is of a gusty batsman 

Edited August 27, 2020 by zen

[Trichromatic]

Players who missed out because of post 1970s filter:

Abid Ali 250 runs at avg of 35.71

Rufi Surti 229 runs at avg of 45.8

[BacktoCricaddict]

5 hours ago, zen said:

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Primary team India

Opposition team Australia   or England   or New Zealand   or South Africa or West Indies

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 1970

Wicketkeeper not as wicketkeeper

Innings in match 4th innings

Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 200   and matches played greater than or equal to 5

Ordered by batting average (descending)

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
SM Gavaskar	1971-1986	18	17	4	984	221	75.69	4	5	1
M Prabhakar	1990-1993	7	6	2	212	67*	53.00	0	3	0
R Dravid	1996-2012	25	25	9	807	103*	50.43	1	5	0
M Amarnath	1976-1986	7	6	1	245	86	49.00	0	2	0
V Kohli	2011-2018	15	14	1	622	141	47.84	2	4	2
GR Viswanath	1971-1982	14	13	3	446	112	44.60	1	3	1
AM Rahane	2014-2018	10	9	2	276	52*	39.42	0	2	1
VVS Laxman	1997-2012	23	20	4	545	74	34.06	0	3	1
SC Ganguly	1996-2008	17	15	3	402	101*	33.50	1	1	2
M Vijay	2011-2018	11	11	0	315	99	28.63	0	2	0
V Sehwag	2001-2012	10	8	0	227	65	28.37	0	2	1
SR Tendulkar	1990-2012	31	26	5	592	119*	28.19	1	3	2
DB Vengsarkar	1976-1992	16	15	1	387	78	27.64	0	3	1
M Azharuddin	1985-1999	16	10	1	241	106	26.77	1	0	0
S Dhawan	2014-2018	9	9	0	210	115	23.33	1	0	1

Gavaskar avg 76 w/ 4 100s including the 221 at Oval in 1979 

Rahane is pretty good ... if only ODIs had 4th inningss.....

[Vilander]

6 hours ago, zen said:

Specialist batsman. If you are interested in Dhoni, his avg is 33

what possible logic is this ?

 

when he bats on fourth innings doe Dhoni do wicket keeping as well or some nanga nach ? no right he just bats like other batsmen. So keep him in the list.

[Vilander]

7 hours ago, zen said:

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Opposition team Australia   or England   or New Zealand   or South Africa or West Indies

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 1970

Wicketkeeper not as wicketkeeper

Innings in match 4th innings

Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 200   and matches played greater than or equal to 5

Ordered by batting average (descending)

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
SM Gavaskar	1971-1986	18	17	4	984	221	75.69	4	5	1
M Prabhakar	1990-1993	7	6	2	212	67*	53.00	0	3	0
R Dravid	1996-2012	25	25	9	807	103*	50.43	1	5	0
M Amarnath	1976-1986	7	6	1	245	86	49.00	0	2	0
V Kohli	2011-2018	15	14	1	622	141	47.84	2	4	2
GR Viswanath	1971-1982	14	13	3	446	112	44.60	1	3	1
AM Rahane	2014-2018	10	9	2	276	52*	39.42	0	2	1
VVS Laxman	1997-2012	23	20	4	545	74	34.06	0	3	1
SC Ganguly	1996-2008	17	15	3	402	101*	33.50	1	1	2
M Vijay	2011-2018	11	11	0	315	99	28.63	0	2	0
V Sehwag	2001-2012	10	8	0	227	65	28.37	0	2	1
SR Tendulkar	1990-2012	31	26	5	592	119*	28.19	1	3	2
DB Vengsarkar	1976-1992	16	15	1	387	78	27.64	0	3	1
M Azharuddin	1985-1999	16	10	1	241	106	26.77	1	0	0
S Dhawan	2014-2018	9	9	0	210	115	23.33	1	0	1

Gavaskar avg 76 w/ 4 100s including the 221 at Oval in 1979 

Sunny is in god zone.

 

Dravid, Amarnath- Telling stat

 

Tendulkar/Vengsarkar/Azhar - Telling stat again - so weak minded.

[New guy]

1 hour ago, Vilander said:

Sunny is in god zone.

 

Dravid, Amarnath- Telling stat

 

Tendulkar/Vengsarkar/Azhar - Telling stat again - so weak minded.

Dravids average is mostly built based on one west indies tour which sachin skipped. A very very weak west indies He scored fifties and  100 remained not out. Apart from that both of them had exactly the same no.of 50s and 100s in 4th innings. Also their averages in the 4th innings in SENA are very similar despite Sachin having played in a completely different era

 

There is a reason the loser OP @zen included West Indies or excluded Dhoni. Since over 10 years he had one single agenda on this forum. At that time he was mocked for his ridiculous postings and stuff like RPT, but now they have made him mod and let him run amock

Edited August 27, 2020 by New guy

[zen]

1 hour ago, New guy said:

Dravids average is mostly built based on one west indies tour which sachin skipped. A very very weak west indies He scored fifties and  100 remained not out. Apart from that both of them had exactly the same no.of 50s and 100s in 4th innings. Also their averages in the 4th innings in SENA are very similar despite Sachin having played in a completely different era

An ignorant post not even worth two cents (only read, not skimmed, it because I was tagged). I do not know why you are writing against one player and providing excuses for the other. Is it so difficult to praise other Indian players? The topic is to see how the key specialist batsmen have done in 4th innings outside the subcon over the recent period. 

 

On top of that you are providing wrong information. Below since Dravid's debut in SENA (so the time frame is similar even though Dravid is at a disadvantage of adjusting to the learning curve, whereas Sachin has 6-7 years of international experience at that point). There is Dhoni in it as well who avgs 35 ( @Rasgulla would be happy with that!):

 

View overall figures [change view] Primary team India  Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa  Home or away away (home of opposition)  Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 1996  Innings in match 4th innings  Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 200  Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 9 of 9   First Previous Next  Last  Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s   V Kohli 2011-2018 14 14 1 622 141 47.84 1049 59.29 2 4 2 73 2 R Dravid 1996-2012 20 20 6 622 103* 44.42 1565 39.74 1 3 0 85 0 AM Rahane 2014-2018 10 9 2 276 52* 39.42 680 40.58 0 2 1 29 1 SC Ganguly 1996-2008 14 13 3 366 101* 36.60 582 62.88 1 1 2 51 2 MS Dhoni 2006-2014 14 10 2 277 76* 34.62 525 52.76 0 1 1 41 1 VVS Laxman 1997-2012 18 15 3 410 74 34.16 892 45.96 0 2 1 54 0 M Vijay 2014-2018 10 10 0 270 99 27.00 646 41.79 0 2 0 27 4 S Dhawan 2014-2018 9 9 0 210 115 23.33 398 52.76 1 0 1 25 1 SR Tendulkar 1996-2012 20 17 2 307 56 20.46 738 41.59 0 2 2 39 0

 

 

The above discards your conspiracies. You probably must that thought that Dhoni is excluded because he averages less or something   .... Note that all the players on this list are Indian players .... The rest of your comment is not worth a response. Please do not tag me unnecessarily. 

 

Edited August 27, 2020 by zen

[Vilander]

2 hours ago, zen said:

An ignorant post not even worth two cents (only read, not skimmed, it because I was tagged). I do not know why you are writing against one player and providing excuses for the other. Is it so difficult to praise other Indian players? The topic is to see how the key specialist batsmen have done in 4th innings outside the subcon over the recent period. 

 

On top of that you are providing wrong information. Below since Dravid's debut in SENA (so the time frame is similar even though Dravid is at a disadvantage of adjusting to the learning curve, whereas Sachin has 6-7 years of international experience at that point). There is Dhoni in it as well who avgs 35 ( @Rasgulla would be happy with that!):

 

View overall figures [change view] Primary team India  Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa  Home or away away (home of opposition)  Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 1996  Innings in match 4th innings  Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 200  Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 9 of 9   First Previous Next  Last  Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s   V Kohli 2011-2018 14 14 1 622 141 47.84 1049 59.29 2 4 2 73 2 R Dravid 1996-2012 20 20 6 622 103* 44.42 1565 39.74 1 3 0 85 0 AM Rahane 2014-2018 10 9 2 276 52* 39.42 680 40.58 0 2 1 29 1 SC Ganguly 1996-2008 14 13 3 366 101* 36.60 582 62.88 1 1 2 51 2 MS Dhoni 2006-2014 14 10 2 277 76* 34.62 525 52.76 0 1 1 41 1 VVS Laxman 1997-2012 18 15 3 410 74 34.16 892 45.96 0 2 1 54 0 M Vijay 2014-2018 10 10 0 270 99 27.00 646 41.79 0 2 0 27 4 S Dhawan 2014-2018 9 9 0 210 115 23.33 398 52.76 1 0 1 25 1 SR Tendulkar 1996-2012 20 17 2 307 56 20.46 738 41.59 0 2 2 39 0

 

 

The above discards your conspiracies. You probably must that thought that Dhoni is excluded because he averages less or something   .... Note that all the players on this list are Indian players .... The rest of your comment is not worth a response. Please do not tag me unnecessarily. 

 

MTC i dont like taking sides but this is even more damning.. I knew Sachin was not as good as Dravid when it counted overseas but this is blatant. i did not know laxman of all people did better than him, heck even a comparative nobody Vijay lol. Zen has a point here.. cant help it man.

[Vilander]

How good was freaking sunil Gavaskar.. i mean freaking hell.

[zen]

3 minutes ago, Vilander said:

How good was freaking sunil Gavaskar.. i mean freaking hell.

Teams can struggle to score 200+ in 4th innings, Gavaskar scored 221! 

Edited August 28, 2020 by zen

[Rasgulla]

3 hours ago, zen said:

An ignorant post not even worth two cents (only read, not skimmed, it because I was tagged). I do not know why you are writing against one player and providing excuses for the other. Is it so difficult to praise other Indian players? The topic is to see how the key specialist batsmen have done in 4th innings outside the subcon over the recent period. 

 

On top of that you are providing wrong information. Below since Dravid's debut in SENA (so the time frame is similar even though Dravid is at a disadvantage of adjusting to the learning curve, whereas Sachin has 6-7 years of international experience at that point). There is Dhoni in it as well who avgs 35 ( @Rasgulla would be happy with that!):

 

View overall figures [change view] Primary team India  Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa  Home or away away (home of opposition)  Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 1996  Innings in match 4th innings  Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 200  Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 9 of 9   First Previous Next  Last  Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s   V Kohli 2011-2018 14 14 1 622 141 47.84 1049 59.29 2 4 2 73 2 R Dravid 1996-2012 20 20 6 622 103* 44.42 1565 39.74 1 3 0 85 0 AM Rahane 2014-2018 10 9 2 276 52* 39.42 680 40.58 0 2 1 29 1 SC Ganguly 1996-2008 14 13 3 366 101* 36.60 582 62.88 1 1 2 51 2 MS Dhoni 2006-2014 14 10 2 277 76* 34.62 525 52.76 0 1 1 41 1 VVS Laxman 1997-2012 18 15 3 410 74 34.16 892 45.96 0 2 1 54 0 M Vijay 2014-2018 10 10 0 270 99 27.00 646 41.79 0 2 0 27 4 S Dhawan 2014-2018 9 9 0 210 115 23.33 398 52.76 1 0 1 25 1 SR Tendulkar 1996-2012 20 17 2 307 56 20.46 738 41.59 0 2 2 39 0

 

 

The above discards your conspiracies. You probably must that thought that Dhoni is excluded because he averages less or something   .... Note that all the players on this list are Indian players .... The rest of your comment is not worth a response. Please do not tag me unnecessarily. 

 

Fraud is exposed again! Thanks for this

 

Fab 4 from now on

 

Dravid

Dhoni

Laxman

Gangu bhai

Edited August 28, 2020 by Rasgulla

[Number]

Batting in 4th innings on subcontinent pitches is probably more tougher than outside subcontinent.

Some of the grounds in England, SA and NZ are best to bat on day 4 and 5.

In Australia other than Sydney and Adelaide which start assisting spinners from day 4 are as good for batting on day 4-5 as they are on day 1.

Only West Indies pitches become quite vicious with uneven bounce later in the match.

It is mostly the scoreboard pressure which gets to the batsman in 4th innings.

 

 

[Gambit]

The worst performer in 4th innings away from home among ATG batsmen is Lara (average of just 25 with 0 hundreds).  Quite eye opening. Steve Waugh also low at 27.

[zen]

1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

Fab 4 from now on

 

Dravid

Dhoni

Laxman

Gangu bhai

That is funny! 

[cricketfan28]

21 minutes ago, Gambit said:

The worst performer in 4th innings away from home among ATG batsmen is Lara (average of just 25 with 0 hundreds).  Quite eye opening. Steve Waugh also low at 27.

very interesting .. may be MRF has something to do with it.

[Jimmy Cliff]

1 hour ago, Gambit said:

The worst performer in 4th innings away from home among ATG batsmen is Lara (average of just 25 with 0 hundreds).  Quite eye opening. Steve Waugh also low at 27.

Oh no . This might cause some folks to combust in self righteous rage.