Gollum Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) Can you blame women for protesting inclusion of transgenders in their events? Imagine working life long to be a world champ, Olympic gold medalist etc. and that dream being taken away to satiate the toxic PC culture prevalent in today's world!!! Look at this wrestler who went undefeated in girls division and now doing the same in women's division, Mack Beggs. Securing lucrative sponsorship deals, documentary/movie rights, will probably make cover story of Time soon. What madness!!! Tomorrow these male runners may want to transition to win some medals and earn $$$$, who's gonna stop them? Edited June 25, 2021 by Gollum Jimmy Cliff, Ranvir and coffee_rules 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) @Gollum The following article does a solid job of framing the issue. Right now, there are testosterone limits (<10 nmoles/L for >12 months). But that is not an adequate measure. It is too early to let trans-women participate as women. Maybe in 50 years, we will know enough to somehow level the playing field. But with what we know today, it is not the right thing to do: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2021/jun/22/by-conflating-gender-and-sex-we-undermine-sporting-competition The American cyclist Veronica Ivy (previously known as Rachel McKinnon) says hang the heartache, trans women are women and should simply be able to self-identify themselves into the women’s category at every level. This argument has got some traction. In which case, why bother having sex categories for sport at all? Just put everyone in together and watch biological males win the lot. I’d argue the opposite. The science is young. Stop. Breathe. Trans women should be able to live their sporting lives to the fullest so if research can find a way for them to participate in female sports without advantage, brilliant. Until then, remove the idea of gender altogether and revert to sex-based categories – a female category and an open category that can cater for trans men who have taken testosterone, trans women and men. Edited June 25, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: @Gollum The following article does a solid job of framing and the issue. Right now, there are testosterone limits (<10 nmoles/L for >12 months). But that is not an adequate measure. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2021/jun/22/by-conflating-gender-and-sex-we-undermine-sporting-competition The American cyclist Veronica Ivy (previously known as Rachel McKinnon) says hang the heartache, trans women are women and should simply be able to self-identify themselves into the women’s category at every level. This argument has got some traction. In which case, why bother having sex categories for sport at all? Just put everyone in together and watch biological males win the lot. I’d argue the opposite. The science is young. Stop. Breathe. Trans women should be able to live their sporting lives to the fullest so if research can find a way for them to participate in female sports without advantage, brilliant. Until then, remove the idea of gender altogether and revert to sex-based categories – a female category and an open category that can cater for trans men who have taken testosterone, trans women and men. By lowering testosterone will their bone density become comparable to the female athletes. Muscle to fat ratio? Aerobic capacity? What if they transition after hitting male puberty? What if a 7 ft tall Mohd Irfan wants to transition and play for the Pakistani women's team, height is still a huge advantage even with slightly reduced strength/speed. Edited June 25, 2021 by Gollum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Gollum said: By lowering testosterone will their bone density become comparable to the female athletes. Muscle to fat ratio? Aerobic capacity? What if they transition after hitting male puberty? What if a 7 ft tall Mohd Irfan wants to transition and play for the Pakistani women's team, height is still a huge advantage even with slightly reduced strength/speed. Neither I nor that article was contradicting what you were saying. Only agreeing with your point, but with some additional context that they were trying some objective measure, which turned out to be inadequate - the whole point of the article was that testosterone numbers were an inadequate measure. Geez ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Neither I nor that article was contradicting what you were saying. Only agreeing with your point, but with some additional context that they were trying some objective measure, which turned out to be inadequate - the whole point of the article was that testosterone numbers were an inadequate measure. Geez ... I didn't read the article, tough to do that at 5 am, well past bedtime and with eyes barely open. Will give it a read later today. Understand what you are saying, good to know you feel the same way as I do. Edited June 26, 2021 by Gollum BacktoCricaddict 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted June 26, 2021 Author Share Posted June 26, 2021 7 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: The following article does a solid job of framing the issue. Right now, there are testosterone limits (<10 nmoles/L for >12 months). But that is not an adequate measure. It is too early to let trans-women participate as women. Maybe in 50 years, we will know enough to somehow level the playing field. But with what we know today, it is not the right thing to do: Letting the winning olympic games aside, are you saying trans whatever is a normal thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Hai Allah! US should be called Wokeisthan! And people are angry at her for being Transphobic, he has a d1ck with a woman’s brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cliff Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 39 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Hai Allah! US should be called Wokeisthan! And people are angry at her for being Transphobic, he has a d1ck with a woman’s brain. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 ^^ yeah, why not? Makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Always say. It’s a nut case country. And scary part is that they remain most influential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 https://www.bitchute.com/video/ekaQbIRrBCIM/ US Mens Soccer Team Wins Womens World Cup rkt.india, velu and Laaloo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranvir Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 These guys need psychotherapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cliff Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: Look at part where our little Indian women are trying to stop her. So stunning and brave. Anyone who doesn't appreciate this is a transphobe . velu, Real McCoy and rkt.india 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted July 17, 2021 Author Share Posted July 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: Quite risky as well, don't think many Indian men can stop her. I don't think any Indian man wants to. What if s/he says you look handsome and asks you money. Run forrest run velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 lol at this thread EnterTheVoid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 4 hours ago, MultiB48 said: Look at part where our little Indian women are trying to stop her. This problem has an easy fix: Have a separate category for transgender athletes. Only way to stop this madness (in sports, at least). velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cliff Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: They identify as women or men, so want to belong to that group.Transgender implies a convert, don't know if they would want to identify solely as a transgender. Nah that will not be inclusive enough. Trans women are women . Having said that, the ones who identify as men stay away from men's events for mysterious reasons . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Jimmy Cliff said: Nah that will not be inclusive enough. Trans women are women . Having said that, the ones who identify as men stay away from men's events for mysterious reasons . They aren't man enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted July 17, 2021 Author Share Posted July 17, 2021 They want to be identified as women but also as transgender to claim victim status. They fit in as a vital cog in the LGBT propaganda to the T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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