express bowling Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said: Just being capable of hitting sixes doesn't make you an ideal No. 4. You need to be able to score even when boundaries aren't coming in. Dhoni-Yuvraj-Raina were great at dropping and running, rotating the strike and taking quick ones and twos. I'm not sure Pant has that as he can get bogged down when he's not scoring boundaries and have brainfade moments. He almost had a brainfade in the 4th Test too when he went for a 6 with six runs required and skied one in the air. That's happened a lot in LOIs. Pant is capable of playing destructive innings, but you need a lot more than that in the middle order. His style is more suited for opening simply to get the team off to a flier, at No. 7 or a floater when you've got a great start and want to capitalize on it. In ODIs, from overs 11 to 40 ... 4 fielders are allowed outside the circle. This means lots of boundaries can still be hit. Moreover, Pant's strike rotation has improved with time. Mosher, Suhaan and Legendary_Bhakt 3 Link to comment
TNAmarkFromIndia Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 27 minutes ago, express bowling said: In ODIs, from overs 11 to 40 ... 4 fielders are allowed outside the circle. This means lots of boundaries can still be hit. Moreover, Pant's strike rotation has improved with time. Pant has shown that he can reign in his attacking instincts, but he hasn't shown that he can rotate strike well. He eats a lot of balls at the start of his innings instead of keeping the scoreboard ticking like you would expect from middle order bats. Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said: Pant has shown that he can reign in his attacking instincts, but he hasn't shown that he can rotate strike well. He eats a lot of balls at the start of his innings instead of keeping the scoreboard ticking like you would expect from middle order bats. That is in test matches. Give him a shot at 4 in ODIs ... and see him evolve. Young cricketers are not finished products and this is the time, with WC 23 more than 2 years away, to let him settle in. I don't think he would have a problem with strike rotation on ODI flat decks. Legendary_Bhakt, Suhaan and Mosher 3 Link to comment
TNAmarkFromIndia Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just now, express bowling said: That is in test matches. No, in ODIs and T20Is since 2019. Even IPL. 1 minute ago, express bowling said: Young cricketers are not finished products and this is the time, with WC 23 more than 2 years away, to let him settle in. Raina adapted to the strike rotation pretty quickly as a youngster in 2005. Obviously Pant and Raina have different games, but it's a facet of the game that Pant isn't good at. Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 39 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said: No, in ODIs and T20Is since 2019. Even IPL. Raina adapted to the strike rotation pretty quickly as a youngster in 2005. Obviously Pant and Raina have different games, but it's a facet of the game that Pant isn't good at. In ODIs, between overs 11 to 40, only 4 fielders are allowed outside the circle. And this enables stroke-players to score 6 runs an over by hitting a 4 + two singles. This should not be a problem for Pant on flat decks of ODIs. He needs to be given z few games to settle down Moreover, many aspects of Pant's game have been questioned but he has evolved in quite a few of them ... like his off-side stroke play, leaving balls outside off and his keeping to pacers. Suhaan and Mosher 2 Link to comment
TNAmarkFromIndia Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, express bowling said: In ODIs, between overs 11 to 40, only 4 fielders are allowed outside the circle. And this enables stroke-players to score 6 runs an over by hitting a 4 + two singles. It's not that easy lol. With Pant, there are few areas that he scores his boundaries from and those are the positions that the opposition will keep their deep fielders. You can't risk taking those fielders on in the middle overs. You can do that only in the last 10 overs. You need to be able to keep the scoreboard ticking in the middle overs even when boundaries aren't coming. Depending on boundaries is low percentage cricket. Link to comment
Stan AF Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 On 1/20/2021 at 12:22 AM, express bowling said: Main thing is ... we need to make Gill, Pant Rahul and Hardik ODI regulars from now on. This. Need to infuse new blood NOWWW. express bowling and Legendary_Bhakt 2 Link to comment
Pandya_Power Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 The only problem is Gabbar seems to have rediscovered his touch off late. I believe he still hass it in him to boss a couple of ICC events in him. With that said, clearly Pant can no longer be ignored. He is among the best bats in the country. A full strength ODI batting unit should look something like this: Rohit Dhawan Kohli Shreyas (believe his short ball limitation will lead t him being phased out, believe Gill will be our #4) Rahul Pant Pandya Jadeja Once Dhawan declines (or if the TM is totally convinced they want to look beyond), Pant can be moved. ABsolutely no doubt he would boss the opening slot (has the game for it. Can do what Jayasuriya did for SL in the 90's). Link to comment
beetle Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Kohli ka yaar hai dhawan . Rohit can't be touched. Link to comment
Sandeep99 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 I felt Pant can be a great finisher given how calm he was when chasing totals in Sydney and Brisbane. express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 36 minutes ago, Sandeep99 said: I felt Pant can be a great finisher given how calm he was when chasing totals in Sydney and Brisbane. Agree Mosher and nevada 1 1 Link to comment
urbestfriend Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Pandya_Power said: The only problem is Gabbar seems to have rediscovered his touch off late. I believe he still hass it in him to boss a couple of ICC events in him. With that said, clearly Pant can no longer be ignored. He is among the best bats in the country. A full strength ODI batting unit should look something like this: Rohit Dhawan Kohli Shreyas (believe his short ball limitation will lead t him being phased out, believe Gill will be our #4) Rahul Pant Pandya Jadeja Once Dhawan declines (or if the TM is totally convinced they want to look beyond), Pant can be moved. ABsolutely no doubt he would boss the opening slot (has the game for it. Can do what Jayasuriya did for SL in the 90's). Considering Pandya dont bowl these who will bowl 10 overs? Link to comment
urbestfriend Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Pant has to be finisher but there is no vacancy as of now. Only way to accomodate Pant is bring KL to Middle order at 4 and Pant can be at 5 or 5 depending on situation. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Pant's temperament is far more suited for test cricket.... He needs time to be in beast mode.... So he should open with 'field restrictions' in place if he is played in ODIs... Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: Pant's temperament is far more suited for test cricket.... He needs time to be in beast mode.... So he should open with 'field restrictions' in place if he is played in ODIs... Then it should first need to be tested . He has to test himself could be in some domestic one dayers or even in IPL in some odd games. He generally does well if he takes a few balls . Can he do bang .. bang not getting out quickly from ball one is the aspect to be tested . Again does he hit length balls around off stump moving a bit ? Generally he leaves them (mostly based on long format play) . This is the mode of deliveries he will get even in short format. Based on that decision to be made and not just blindly put him there right away. Better to test that experiment at a tier lower than international matches . Some of the best openers of short format are those who hit good length deliveries on stumps over the top or flick them from the stumps or on stright drive / off drive them or , very good pullers and cutters . Would like to see him hitting over the in field and cut shots and more cover driving to length balls . Other shots he already plays them regularly . Think he can do well going forward if he put his mind on it. Link to comment
Vickydev Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 What are people's thoughts on Kishan as an LOI option? He doesnt look a test prospect for now but surely he deserves a go in other formats? He has been around the A tours for a while and seems to be doing fine Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said: Then it should first need to be tested . He has to test himself could be in some domestic one dayers or even in IPL in some odd games. He generally does well if he takes a few balls . Can he do bang .. bang not getting out quickly from ball one is the aspect to be tested . Again does he hit length balls around off stump moving a bit ? Generally he leaves them (mostly based on long format play) . This is the mode of deliveries he will get even in short format. Based on that decision to be made and not just blindly put him there right away. Better to test that experiment at a tier lower than international matches . Some of the best openers of short format are those who hit good length deliveries on stumps over the top or flick them from the stumps or on stright drive / off drive them or , very good pullers and cutters . Would like to see him hitting over the in field and cut shots and more cover driving to length balls . Other shots he already plays them regularly . Think he can do well going forward if he put his mind on it. Which is why I think 4 is ideal for him. Take a bit of time to get set and then play as per situation. Mosher 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 No do nottouch the top order. It takes a different skill set to play fresh bowlers. Link to comment
Hell Raiser Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Be it in middle order or opening, Pant should be part of LOI's. We just can't afford to lose a player like Pant. He along with Rahul and Pandya will add alot of fire power in the end. If he is batting in middle order, we do need someone to play the role of a dasher at the top to give us a brisk start. Ankit_sharma03 and Mosher 2 Link to comment
neel roy Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 See whatever India will have no excuses if they dont win an icc trophy now. Look at the batting lineup.. Dhawan Rohit Gill Kohli Rahul Pant Iyer Pandya Jadeja Mayank Pandey look at bowling Bumrah Shami Bhuvi Natrajan Chahal Kuldeep Waiting in wings Surya Kumar Yadav Prithvi Shaw Ishan Kishan Rahul Chahar Deepak Chahar Navdeep Saini Washington Sundar Shardul Thakur Prasidh Krishna i mean just see the freaking depth and we have 2 home icc trophies. The only thing I repeat only thing which can screw us is Dew. Day nighters are such a huge deciding factor in india. Link to comment
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