Axar patel wud be the key against England

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

The way Sibley and Crawley plays left arm spin , Axar will be very tough for both of them

[ShoonyaSifar]

Axar does not flight the ball much in FC cricket, relies more on his variations and z consistent line and length. With his high speed and cutters, haven't seen him get much drift or beat batsmen in flight but he is deadly on spinning tracks or on tracks with some bounce.

 

Nadeem IMO would have been a better choice with his classical SLA bowling with proper flight, loop and drift. 

[Lone Wolf]

Axar will not be a bad option tbh..  But will they go with him after what Sunder did?

Jaddu is so so vital even more than Ashwin in India. 

 Kuldeep is sure to play I reckon. 

[neel roy]

Game over if England batsmen tries to play him on backfoot. I have watched FC matches and he is deadly. See his highlights on youtube. Only way to counter him is by using feet and bunting the spin. The moment batsmen do that he starts bowling short and loses his rythm. Now coming to comparison with Jadeja., Axar has the height advantage ( like Santner,Vettori ) and so he gets bounce.So what happens is , if  batsmen tries to block him on a spinning track by playing in backfoot with his extra bounce he often gets the edge as the batsman gets squared up ( Ashwin gets many wickets like that but not much Jadeja). I have done extensive analysis of his wickets since Jadeja got injured. Oh another thing its not easy to sweep him again because of bounce and he is absolutely crack in terms of drying runs and bowling on the same spot million times..

Edited January 24, 2021 by neel roy

[express bowling]

Problem is ... neither Ashwin nor Axar are good to be the No.7 batsman.

 

Sundar is ideal for this role.

 

If Sundar is dropped and Axar played in his place then our lower-middle order batting will be greatly affected. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

Problem is ... neither Ashwin nor Axar are good to be the No.7 batsman.

 

Sundar is ideal for this role.

 

If Sundar is dropped and Axar played in his place then our lower-middle order batting will be greatly affected. 

 

Axar is a good batsman, for me potentially better batsman then jaddu . I can trust him even at 6 . Avg of 35 in Fc can be trusted easily

 

 

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Axar is a good batsman, for me potentially better batsman then jaddu . I can trust him even at 6 . Avg of 35 in Fc can be trusted easily

 

 

 

 

Jaddu is a gun batsman now. Better than many specialists. 

 

Axar's ability to play high pace or good channel bowling is largely unknown.

 

And No.6 batsmen, averaging 35 in FC, does not work.

 

Axar batting at 7 in test matches would be a big risk.

 

 

[Gollum]

18 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Problem is ... neither Ashwin nor Axar are good to be the No.7 batsman.

In India against this popgun English attack even Umesh or Ishant will be good enough at #7 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Gollum

[Gollum]

41 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Nadeem IMO would have been a better choice with his classical SLA bowling with proper flight, loop and drift. 

This, this and this. Can't understand how/why these g_ndu selectors overlooked Nadeem after his impressive debut. Ashwin, Kuldeep, Nadeem plus two quicks (Bumrah, Siraj) would have been ideal on typical Chepauk wicket.

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, Gollum said:

In India against this popgun English attack even Umesh or Ishant will be good enough at #7 

 

 

We shouldn't underestimate them.

 

Archer and Broad / Anderson will be there. Lesser batsmen may not find it that easy against the pace of Archer or skills of Broad / Andu

 

 

[Gollum]

15 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

We shouldn't underestimate them.

 

Archer and Broad / Anderson will be there. Lesser batsmen may not find it that easy against the pace of Archer or skills of Broad / Andu

Relax man, Axar or Ash will do fine at #7....and as a block, Axar/Ash/Kuly/Ishu will handle English bowlers just fine at home. Ashwin has a bloody good record with the bat against Eng, much better than Jaddu and as good as a frontline batsman. 

 

A top 6 of Gill, Rohit, Che, Kohli, Rahane (meh...prefer Mayank/Pandya), Pant is too much to handle for this English attack. Broad/Andu did much worse in India in their peak years and Archer isn't even a Rabada level bowler, less we talk about their so called spinners the better....Rashid bhai was like Warne compared to these guys. 

 

We are worrying too much based on how they are performing against a schoolboy team in Lanka. 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Gollum

[ShoonyaSifar]

41 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

if ashwin's back doesnt hold up, then it will be  a very inexperienced attack ,wont be easy to bowl out eng even in our home conditions . Just goes to show what we achieved in aus .

A spin attack of Kuldeep, Sundar and Nadeem will be equally effective on our home pitches. Like our young pacers they are ready for international cricket, these young spinners will be no different.

 

42 minutes ago, Gollum said:

This, this and this. Can't understand how/why these g_ndu selectors overlooked Nadeem after his impressive debut. Ashwin, Kuldeep, Nadeem plus two quicks (Bumrah, Siraj) would have been ideal on typical Chepauk wicket.

Preference for spinners who can bat seems to be the way forward. Nothing else explains Axar over Nadeem. Axar was picked for 2015 WC, wasn't good enough all these years but gets picked for tests out of nowhere.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Axar does not flight the ball much in FC cricket, relies more on his variations and z consistent line and length. With his high speed and cutters, haven't seen him get much drift or beat batsmen in flight but he is deadly on spinning tracks or on tracks with some bounce.

 

Nadeem IMO would have been a better choice with his classical SLA bowling with proper flight, loop and drift. 

 

 

we often fall for classical , but dnt see whats effective same was said when jaddu was given debut as nadeem then also use to be top in domestic. But Guys like Axar jaddu become nightmare when it turns a bit due to the pace at which they bowl . In Fc nothing much that separates them 

 

[express bowling]

56 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Relax man, Axar or Ash will do fine at #7....and as a block, Axar/Ash/Kuly/Ishu will handle English bowlers just fine at home. Ashwin has a bloody good record with the bat against Eng, much better than Jaddu and as good as a frontline batsman. 

 

 

I don't agree.

 

Ashwin's batting has gone done sharply in the last 4 years due to fitness issues. (  Batting average of 17.6 in the last 4 years ) And he maybe even more unfit now.

 

 

Quote

 

We are worrying too much based on how they are performing against a schoolboy team in Lanka. 

 

 

I am not worrying at all.

 

But I don't want a weak No.7,  as this batting line-up is prone to collapses. Can happen even against Zimbabwe, let alone England.

 

It is more a tactical point than anything else.

 

My choice ...

 

7. Sundar

8. Ashwin

9. Kuldeep 

 

 

Edited January 24, 2021 by express bowling

[prudent_kreeda]

1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Axar does not flight the ball much in FC cricket, relies more on his variations and z consistent line and length. With his high speed and cutters, haven't seen him get much drift or beat batsmen in flight but he is deadly on spinning tracks or on tracks with some bounce.

 

Nadeem IMO would have been a better choice with his classical SLA bowling with proper flight, loop and drift. 

 

Nadeem has regressed a bit. He has a weak bowling shoulder ... there was some mention recently .

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Jaddu is a gun batsman now. Better than many specialists. 

 

Axar's ability to play high pace or good channel bowling is largely unknown.

 

And No.6 batsmen, averaging 35 in FC, does not work.

 

Axar batting at 7 in test matches would be a big risk.

 

 

Axar will be batting at 8, ashwin 9, Bumrah, Siraj, Sundar 7

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

the length which Axar hits a lot 

 

 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Axar will be batting at 8, ashwin 9, Bumrah, Siraj, Sundar 7

 

 

That is good in terms of batting.

 

But Kuldeep will miss out again, and with it the wrist spin option.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Axar will be batting at 8, ashwin 9, Bumrah, Siraj, Sundar 7

 

u think kohli will play Siraj ahead of Ishant ? When even umesh n ishant were together he preferred ishant over umesh in Indian conditions

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

This, this and this. Can't understand how/why these g_ndu selectors overlooked Nadeem after his impressive debut. Ashwin, Kuldeep, Nadeem plus two quicks (Bumrah, Siraj) would have been ideal on typical Chepauk wicket.

Axar is as good as Nadeem in domestic

 

21 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I don't agree.

 

Ashwin's batting has gone done sharply in the last 2 or 3 years due to fitness issues. And he maybe even more unfit now.

 

 

 

 

I am not worrying at all.

 

But I don't want a weak No.7,  as this batting line-up is prone to collapses. Can happen even against Zimbabwe, let alone England.

 

It is more a tactical point than anything else.

 

My choice ...

 

7. Sundar

8. Ashwin

9. Kuldeep 

 

 

Need to have left arm spin or a leg spinner to tackle right handers. Wouldn't play Kuldeep. IMO, his type of bowler has no future in international cricket. Quick and accurate spinners are the way to go on Indian pitches.