rangeelaraja Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 1. Botham 2. Kapil Dev 3. Ben Stokes 4. Immy 5. Chris Cairns 6. Flintoff Reasons: 1. Ben Stokes peak is awesome, he is probably the best batsmen in the list, but as a bowler his longetivity of performance still needs some more years before putting him ahead of 1 and 2. 2. Chris Cairns is a cracker bowler and batter, its a pity how soon he retired and got himself in a fix with ICL. Flintoff - great bowler but still lacked reliability with the bat. Had a great Ashes and 30+ average - but always felt he could only bat 1 way. 3. Immy the bottle cap bowling cheat will never have my respect. raki05 and Under_Score 1 1
Soldier Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, mancalledsting said: Recency bias Nostalgia bias. Works both ways. But to answer the question, has to be Imran right? Apparently he is a cheat so I am going with Hadlee. He carried a weaker team by himself. Edited January 31, 2021 by Soldier
Majestic Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 1. Imran 2. Botham 3. Kapil 4. Stokes 5. Cairns 6. Flintoff
raki05 Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 Botham Kapil Stokes Flintoff Jogindar Sharma Harshal Patel Imran Khan. Rightarmfast, express bowling, Suhaan and 2 others 5
Soldier Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 28 minutes ago, raki05 said: Botham Kapil Stokes Flintoff Jogindar Sharma Harshal Patel Imran Khan. Lol Imran that low. C'mon bro? Is it cause he was a cheater? I would personally put imran at 2 but he did cheat so that's there.
raki05 Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Soldier said: Is it cause he was a cheater? Nah cheaters are still ok.....coz he is Pakistani pm. express bowling and Soldier 2
Trichromatic Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 Botham Imran Kapil Stokes Flintoff Cairns
zen Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) Peak 45 tests for batting and bowling AR choices - Sobers and Hadlee pick themselves in the respective category Among those being discussed here in tests: Botham (peak) Imran (potency with the ball - no pun intended) Kapil Stokes - needs to bowl more overs per inning to be rated higher as an AR (Similarly, Kallis). Best batsman/batting AR among this group though! Flintoff Cairns Edited January 31, 2021 by zen
Nikola Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) Botham Hadlee/Imran Kapil Edited January 31, 2021 by Nikola
Majestic Posted February 1, 2021 Posted February 1, 2021 Imran has a test batting average of 37 and bowling average of 22. Kapil has a batting average of 29 and bowling average of 31. Botham has a batting average of 34 and bowling average of 28. Hadlee has a batting average of 26 and bowling average of 22. Going by these stats, Imran > Hadlee > Botham > Kapil.
rtmohanlal Posted February 1, 2021 Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Kapil Imran Botham Flintoff Cairns Stokes in that order Edited February 1, 2021 by rtmohanlal
Soldier Posted February 1, 2021 Posted February 1, 2021 15 hours ago, Majestic said: Imran has a test batting average of 37 and bowling average of 22. Kapil has a batting average of 29 and bowling average of 31. Botham has a batting average of 34 and bowling average of 28. Hadlee has a batting average of 26 and bowling average of 22. Going by these stats, Imran > Hadlee > Botham > Kapil. Kapil played way more games.
Vilander Posted February 1, 2021 Posted February 1, 2021 On 31/01/2021 at 12:13 PM, zen said: Peak 45 tests for batting and bowling AR choices - Sobers and Hadlee pick themselves in the respective category Among those being discussed here in tests: Botham (peak) Imran (potency with the ball - no pun intended) Kapil Stokes - needs to bowl more overs per inning to be rated higher as an AR (Similarly, Kallis). Best batsman/batting AR among this group though! Flintoff Cairns So the best all around all rounder is freaking sakib al hasan damn.
Vilander Posted February 1, 2021 Posted February 1, 2021 16 hours ago, Majestic said: Imran has a test batting average of 37 and bowling average of 22. Kapil has a batting average of 29 and bowling average of 31. Botham has a batting average of 34 and bowling average of 28. Hadlee has a batting average of 26 and bowling average of 22. Going by these stats, Imran > Hadlee > Botham > Kapil. OTOH Going by least numer of bottle caps used Everyone > Imran
Rightarmfast Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 Owing to the fact that theres a lot of if's and but's to Imran's record, I am not going to rank the all-rounders. At a personal level, I rate Chris Cairns high because just like Kapil, he played with a very weak team and still performed. More than decent pace, genuine spearhead of his team, and a genuine batsman when required. Heath Streak is another I feel who is quite under rated. Had he played for a stronger team, his stats may have been different. Of the lot, Botham maybe a natural choice, but I wonder if thats due to folk lores. I mean,, Flintoff was a tremendous player. And if Botham was better than Flintoff, he would have been out of this world. If cheating is not considered, Imran tops the list. If it is, Botham, Kapil, FLintoff and perhaps Cairns!
Majestic Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Vilander said: OTOH Going by least numer of bottle caps used Everyone > Imran In that era, everyone used it though. Read from some of interviews of Darren Gough.
putrevus Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 Cheating or no cheating, Imran was not better batsman than either Botham or Kapil dev. They were hands down better batsmen than Imran Khan ever was, Imran was mostly a bowler who could bat. Botham is by far the best all rounder in modern era. For his first 50 odd tests there was nothing Botham could not do, he was an amazing bowler who averaged in low 20s for his first 200 wickets and 38 or 39 with 11 100s . Flintoff is not even close to Botham. Kapil Dev was almost an amaetur with just raw talent. If Kapil had the avenues to polish his skills like Hadlee or Imran in country cricket, he would have become far better allrounder but he is second after Botham. Cairns and others are not even close to either Botham or Kapil.
Majestic Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, putrevus said: Cheating or no cheating, Imran was not better batsman than either Botham or Kapil dev. They were hands down better batsmen than Imran Khan ever was, Imran was mostly a bowler who could bat. Botham is by far the best all rounder in modern era. For his first 50 odd tests there was nothing Botham could not do, he was an amazing bowler who averaged in low 20s for his first 200 wickets and 38 or 39 with 11 100s . Flintoff is not even close to Botham. Kapil Dev was almost an amaetur with just raw talent. If Kapil had the avenues to polish his skills like Hadlee or Imran in country cricket, he would have become far better allrounder but he is second after Botham. Cairns and others are not even close to either Botham or Kapil. Why didn't our players like Kapil joined county cricket back then? Any idea?
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