2021 sees India drop from ‘Free’ to ‘Partly Free’ in freedom index

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, Mariyam said:

For some strange reason, you are still stuck on BJP government, liberal vs others, rights of minorities, pre 2014 vs post 2014 etc. That is doing disservice to real issue here, which is the state curtailing liberties.

You wanted some examples and I cited them. Just by the way, flouting covid rules is an offense by the organisers and not necessarily the artist. They were arrested much later.

Also this specific case is an example of the state using its power to silence an unfunny comic. Its just that you seem okay with it and normalize that by citing counter examples from other parts of India  because *you* don't like what the comic has to say. 

 

That is a double standard.

 

Reminds me of that AB dialogue from Deewar: "pehle ja us admi ka sign lekar aao, jisne mere haath pe ye likha. hain! Uske baad mere bhai, tum jahan kahoge main wahan sign karunga"

And like Shashi Kapoor rightly retorted " dusron ke jurm ginane se tumhare apne jurm kam nahi hote"

 

My last response on this, I think you are dragging this discussion on only one case to justify the powerful state tag, just I see no difference between Kamlesh Tiwari case and this comic, both hurt religion sentiments and were jailed using an archaic law. I keep saying that these are individual cases that have been happening all along, not something all of a sudden to get a tag now! On a legal front, I am for repealing this British era law (blasphemy), it is being misused by every government one way or the other. 
 

Having said that, of course, I didn’t like what he said. Absolutely, his jokes and those who laughed are the reason why such sentiments are normalized in society. During anti-CAA protests, most of the slogans were anti-Hindu and it was all considered normal. If at all, this served any purpose, is it will be a deterrent to any other comic who passingly makes anti-Hindu jokes to get laughs.  Either make it on all religions  or none. These people think Hindus are like mandir ki ghanti, har koi aake bajake chale jaate hain. These OTT web serieses waale, sab ke sab. 

[Gollum]

On 3/5/2021 at 9:08 PM, Alam_dar said:

I felt is this that Indian Muslims were still loyal to Indian State and took proud in being an India. They were proud of Indian Constitution and Democracy and these things were enough for them to stick with India. Nevertheless, once they loose all their hopes in constitution and democracy too, then you could not keep them loyal to Indian State. 

Why should Indian Muslims lose faith in constitution, democracy? 

 

And what is this loyalty thing? Do you mean another partition movement? Social unrest, more insurgencies?

Edited March 7, 2021 by Gollum

[Alam_dar]

3 hours ago, Gollum said:

Why should Indian Muslims lose faith in constitution, democracy? 

I think you already know the answer. 

 

BJP is misusing the democracy (i.e. rule of majority) in order to convert Muslims into 2nd or 3rd class citizens. And constitution is not able to guarantee the rights of Muslims, while Police and other State Departments (even in some cases the judiciary) have been compromised. 

 

BJP is running a dictatorship in name of democracy. 

 

Off course Right Wing will deny it, but whole Left Wing of India and rest of the world have this same opinion about BJP and present Hindutva movement. 

 

 

3 hours ago, Gollum said:

 

And what is this loyalty thing? Do you mean another partition movement? Social unrest, more insurgencies?

 

Who knows where this polarization and hatred will lead to.  I fear Genocide of Indian Muslims, just like the genocide of Rohingyas in Myanmar. 

 

I absolutely hate Islam, but still this does not make me to hate Muslims that I become ready to accept their genocide in any form. 

[coffee_rules]

10 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

I think you already know the answer. 

 

BJP is misusing the democracy (i.e. rule of majority) in order to convert Muslims into 2nd or 3rd class citizens. And constitution is not able to guarantee the rights of Muslims, while Police and other State Departments (even in some cases the judiciary) have been compromised. 

 

BJP is running a dictatorship in name of democracy. 

 

Off course Right Wing will deny it, but whole Left Wing of India and rest of the world have this same opinion about BJP and present Hindutva movement. 

 

 

 

Who knows where this polarization and hatred will lead to.  I fear Genocide of Indian Muslims, just like the genocide of Rohingyas in Myanmar. 

 

I absolutely hate Islam, but still this does not make me to hate Muslims that I become ready to accept their genocide in any form. 

You propagate your monetized propaganda material , but the data won’t lie

 

https://theprint.in/india/more-muslims-govt-scholarships-modi-govt-congress-upa/308154/

 

BJP is doing more for Muslims than previous governments 

 

More Muslims got govt scholarships under Modi govt than during Congress-led UPA-2

There were 2.37 crore Muslim beneficiaries of govt scholarships during Modi's first term, while the figure under Manmohan's second was 2.33 crore.

[Khota]

6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

You propagate your monetized propaganda material , but the data won’t lie

 

https://theprint.in/india/more-muslims-govt-scholarships-modi-govt-congress-upa/308154/

 

BJP is doing more for Muslims than previous governments 

 

More Muslims got govt scholarships under Modi govt than during Congress-led UPA-2

There were 2.37 crore Muslim beneficiaries of govt scholarships during Modi's first term, while the figure under Manmohan's second was 2.33 crore.

Trains are running on time.

 

Minorities are being supressed currently and you know it. Rest is all smoke and mirrors.

[coffee_rules]

1 minute ago, Khota said:

Trains are running on time.

 

Minorities are being supressed currently and you know it. Rest is all smoke and mirrors.

Azaan chal raha hain, reservation chal hain under OBC,

Reservation under GC for EW sections bhi milega

4 shaadiya/Triple Talaq/AIMPLB chal raha hain

Lynchings of Hindus chal raha hain

Anti-CAA karke manmaani aur shaheen bagh kudrati Biryani mil raha hain

Haj subsidy or scholarship for minorities badh raha hain

No discrimination on all Govt schemes (PDS, Jan dhan, Jan bima , etc)

 

But still they are second or third class citizenry and minority suppression chal raha hain. Wah Bhai wah!

 

 

 

[Khota]

2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Azaan chal raha hain, reservation chal hain under OBC,

Reservation under GC for EW sections bhi milega

4 shaadiya/Triple Talaq/AIMPLB chal raha hain

Lynchings of Hindus chal raha hain

Anti-CAA karke manmaani aur shaheen bagh kudrati Biryani mil raha hain

Haj subsidy or scholarship for minorities badh raha hain

No discrimination on all Govt schemes (PDS, Jan dhan, Jan bima , etc)

 

But still they are second or third class citizenry and minority suppression chal raha hain. Wah Bhai wah!

 

 

 

I am not denying anything you said over here and I am clear about that.

 

But the mindset of calling farmers struggle as Khalistani struggle is not correct way of thinking.

 

Our families have lived in India for 1000's of years and making them outsiders is not the way to approach an economic problem.

[nikred]

 
Who knows where this polarization and hatred will lead to.  I fear Genocide of Indian Muslims, just like the genocide of Rohingyas in Myanmar. 
 
I absolutely hate Islam, but still this does not make me to hate Muslims that I become ready to accept their genocide in any form. 

Why stop at fear of genocide when you have to bullsh*t anyways. Go ahead and say the genocide has already started. What have we got to do with ground reality.

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[Real McCoy]

We need to stop looking at foreign news for how we are doing. We already are bombarded with news outlets which are left-wing and right-wing. We don't want more from other countries. yeah sure i can make up a group and criticize nato for its activities. that would be more truthful than any of these reports. Not saying we are that great either just want to stop reading other nations' propaganda

[dial_100]

On 3/6/2021 at 2:51 AM, Mariyam said:

For some strange reason, you are still stuck on BJP government, liberal vs others, rights of minorities, pre 2014 vs post 2014 etc. That is doing disservice to real issue here, which is the state curtailing liberties.

You wanted some examples and I cited them. Just by the way, flouting covid rules is an offense by the organisers and not necessarily the artist. They were arrested much later.

Also this specific case is an example of the state using its power to silence an unfunny comic. Its just that you seem okay with it and normalize that by citing counter examples from other parts of India  because *you* don't like what the comic has to say. 

 

That is a double standard.

 

Reminds me of that AB dialogue from Deewar: "pehle ja us admi ka sign lekar aao, jisne mere haath pe ye likha. hain! Uske baad mere bhai, tum jahan kahoge main wahan sign karunga"

And like Shashi Kapoor rightly retorted " dusron ke jurm ginane se tumhare apne jurm kam nahi hote"

 

 

And the winner is Left liberals enacting as Ravi lecturing Vijay and letting billi go on haj with band baaja. 

 

Irony just died a thousand death.

Edited March 7, 2021 by dial_100

[someone]

And what about farmers protests? Surely, a great sign of "freedom" in our country, where the mob can hold and bully the government, law enforcement, and judiciary. 26/1 attack isn't forgotten, yet India is tolerant towards that intolerant mob.

 

 

[mishra]

On 3/7/2021 at 12:17 PM, Khota said:

Trains are running on time.

 

Minorities are being supressed currently and you know it. Rest is all smoke and mirrors.

So finally you are officially back on Khalistani agendaa. Good going.

PS: Dont justify yourself with excuse, if you and alam_dar are on same page then thats enough.

Edited March 8, 2021 by mishra

[mishra]

As far as op is concerned, Its all about closing offices of Amnesty International and other such alleged human rights NGOs who have felt the heat under Modi. For example, does it really matter say if Soros groups rating organization downgrades India because Soros group certified news and freedom outlets (who are also associated to Soros group), which support Soros group funding of anti national activities feel the heat.

 

Now you can find the links similar to Soros group with article 370, Kashmir, free media, human rights activists, Local anarchists and libdus, Khalistan, Pakistan, International Islamists, United Kingdom.

Edited March 8, 2021 by mishra

[someone]

Try having an Indian or African think-tanks talking about US human rights abuses, there won't be any takers nor  mainstream support in USA. Yet, the vice versa of foreign think-tanks is huge here. So much for own inferiority complex or in awe of the white man...

[someone]

On 3/7/2021 at 4:15 PM, Gollum said:

Why should Indian Muslims lose faith in constitution, democracy? 

 

And what is this loyalty thing? Do you mean another partition movement? Social unrest, more insurgencies?

He inadvertently raised the key point, that their loyalty is "temporary". Give them their way, veto power else its war and threats. This is centuries of bullying and intimidation. It's so obvious that likes of Congress are only stop-gap measure till demographics shifts...

[Khota]

2 hours ago, mishra said:

So finally you are officially back on Khalistani agendaa. Good going.

PS: Dont justify yourself with excuse, if you and alam_dar are on same page then thats enough.

Calling people who dissent as Khalistanis. Is that supression or not?

 

I dont know who this alam Dar person is and I dont care.

 

All I do know is that our generations have lived in India for 1000's of years and today is the first time our integrity is being questioned. Are you not ashamed of that atmosphere.

[Gollum]

Dear Freedom House (you *s can't even get India's map correct)

 

@Singh bling I know you as a reasonable poster, so I'll try and reason with you

 

This is India's political map

 

And not this where they have cut out our crown

 

Criticism of govt, parties, institutions etc. perfectly fine but kindly dig deeper, cross-check before spouting reports/analysis from anti-India forces on ICF. Some things are non-negotiable.......starting with correct representation of our map.

Edited March 8, 2021 by Gollum

[coffee_rules]

Liberal Authoritarianism in China

 

Thwada authoritarian liberal 

Sadda authoritarian fascist

Edited March 9, 2021 by coffee_rules

[coffee_rules]

Kehte kehte ruk gaya par jai ho jaishivshankar!!

 

 

[coffee_rules]

And India is kept at the same level as Pakistan and calls India, an  Electoral Aristocracy by a Swedish freedom group

 

 

Edited March 15, 2021 by coffee_rules