zen Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 esp. if the # of teams are increased to maintain/improve the quality of the competition ... 5 overseas players slot is the max so teams can play even less if it has suitable Ind players esp. for certain conditions Currently, min # of Ind players playing = 7*8 = 56 If # of teams is increased to 10, min # of Ind players playing = 6 * 10 = 60 (so an overall increase) By reducing the slot from 7 to 6, it may also increase the competition among Ind players, leading to cricketers being motivated to improve their game Laaloo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Bad idea. Indian Premier League is about giving opportunities to Indian players. I am sure with 2 new teams, options will be spread even thinner. Also with decline in SA,WI,SL teams and Pak being banned is there an availability of quality international players? 10 teams next year means 5 * 10 and hypothetically add 2 more min per team as backups, are there 70 quality international T20 players in the world? Don’t think so. May be invest in younger talents and give them exposure. If there is a hot foregin prospect then won’t matter if there are 4 or 5 overseas players as he will definitely play. Case in point the Warner’s and AB’s of the world. beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Bad idea. Indian Premier League is about giving opportunities to Indian players. I am sure with 2 new teams, options will be spread even thinner. Also with decline in SA,WI,SL teams and Pak being banned is there an availability of quality international players? 10 teams next year means 5 * 10 and hypothetically add 2 more min per team as backups, are there 70 quality international T20 players in the world? Don’t think so. May be invest in younger talents and give them exposure. If there is a hot foregin prospect then won’t matter if there are 4 or 5 overseas players as he will definitely play. Case in point the Warner’s and AB’s of the world. It all depends upon how a team is set up. If it has 11 good Ind players, it may not even need overseas players. If good Ind players are less in numbers in a squad, a team would benefit from an additional overseas player in the playing 11 Also teams have all sorts of players (Indian + overseas) in the squad, so it is about optimizing the playing 11 and aiming for a higher quality of cricket, which benefits all (BD, SL, Pak have domestic tourneys too full of local players, it is the overall quality of the competition that separates leagues) Edited April 21, 2021 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Saying that for long increase 2 teams and make it 5 overseas players. In coming yrs IPL will loose gayle, abdv, dhoni, karthik, bhajji, uthapppa , mishra , faf and few more. 2 franchises will increase indian players more then adding one more overseas in XI. SK_IH and Adamant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Saying that for long increase 2 teams and make it 5 overseas players. In coming yrs IPL will loose gayle, abdv, dhoni, karthik, bhajji, uthapppa , mishra , faf and few more. 2 franchises will increase indian players more then adding one more overseas in XI. you think there are 60-70 quality international players in the world? I can count on hand players from 3-4 countries, Pak is banned, SL is irrelevant these days. In fact IPL should be about making it difficult for internationals to get in and earn a paycheck not the other way round. Too many freeloader foreigners already. This obsession with foregin players is what has given easy money to guys like Maxwell,Miller, Counter Nile,Richardson and Christian. nevada 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: you think there are 60-70 quality international players in the world? I can count on hand players from 3-4 countries, Pak is banned, SL is irrelevant these days. In fact IPL should be about making it difficult for internationals to get in and earn a paycheck not the other way round. Too many freeloader foreigners already. This obsession with foregin players is what has given easy money to guys like Maxwell,Miller, Counter Nile,Richardson and Christian. That is irrelevant ... 5 overseas players = min 50 players ... it is up to the teams to pick the 11 based on how their squad shapes up. It is not mandatory to play 5 overseas players. If it has good Ind players, a team can field only 2 overseas players if it wants Edited April 21, 2021 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, zen said: That is irrelevant ... 5 overseas players = min 50 players ... it is up to the teams to pick the 11 based on how their squad shapes up. It is not mandatory to play 5 overseas players. If it has good Ind players, a team can field only 2 overseas players if it wants Just because someone is overseas doesn’t mean he is automatically better than an Indian domestic player. Having 5 overseas players make team combos less analytical. For example say if CSK had someone like Root/Hales who didn’t get picked in auctions they would drop Rayudu/Raina or Jadhav? No they would drop someone like Rituraj. Is he better than those guys, obviously not but a young Indian player loses opportunity. I think there was science behind those 4 overseas cap and I like it that way. nevada, flamy and Hell Raiser 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Just because someone is overseas doesn’t mean he is automatically better than an Indian domestic player. Having 5 overseas players make team combos less analytical. For example say if CSK had someone like Root/Hales who didn’t get picked in auctions they would drop Rayudu/Raina or Jadhav? No they would drop someone like Rituraj. Is he better than those guys, obviously not but a young Indian player loses opportunity. I think there was science behind those 4 overseas cap and I like it that way. Again irrelevant as teams have the option (not compulsion) to play 5 overseas players based on what works best for it ... As I said, play 11 Ind players if they are better options Edited April 21, 2021 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serpico Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, zen said: Again irrelevant as teams have the option (not compulsion) to play 5 overseas players based on what works best for it ... As I said, play 11 Ind players if they are better options why limit at 5 though. like you said its not compulsion, so why not just take away the limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Serpico said: why limit at 5 though. like you said its not compulsion, so why not just take away the limit That should be ideal but IPL keeps limit so an increase of 1 appears like a more realistic target as the next step Edited April 21, 2021 by zen Serpico 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollack Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Infact it should be reduced to 3. But 4 is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serpico Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, zen said: That should be ideal but IPL keeps limit so an increase of 1 appears like a more realistic target as the next step do you think that should be the eventual goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestic Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 An increase of 1 is fine but only if the total teams count goes to 10 teams. The count of Indian players will increase also from the earlier 7*8= 56 to 6*10=60. One good thing by increasing the count is that in auctions to get the balance right, franchises will not throw useless amount of money on the foreign players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Serpico said: do you think that should be the eventual goal If the goal is to turn IPL into the highest quality cricket league in the world (keep pushing the standard higher), yes ... that would mean both Indian and overseas players would need to stay on their toes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serpico Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 minute ago, zen said: If the goal is to turn IPL into the highest quality cricket league in the world (keep pushing the standard higher), yes ... that would mean both Indian and overseas players would need to stay on their toes what about the ban on Pakistan players, in this situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeGaw Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 If you think adding two teams is going to improve the quality of play you are going to be in for a sad surprise. Dilution of quality players always results in a drop in the level of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamant Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Yes. There are many quality international players who didn't get picked - Alex Hales, Joe Root, Aiden Markram, Van Der Dussen, Janneman Malan, Niroshan Dickwella, Mushfiqur Rahim, Tom Banton, Adil Rashid, David Wiley, James Pattinson, Guptill etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Serpico said: what about the ban on Pakistan players, in this situation That is a part of policy toward a hostile nation so such decisions need to be taken based on the geopolitical situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, GeeGaw said: If you think adding two teams is going to improve the quality of play you are going to be in for a sad surprise. Dilution of quality players always results in a drop in the level of play. The discussion is not on cricket getting improved with more teams but maintaining the quality by allowing more quality players to play in the 11 because of the increase in # of teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianRenegade Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Totally up for 5 overseas players but that should be the limit, no more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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