Jerusalem burning

[Vickydev]

1 hour ago, Straight Drive said:

Terrorists are now looking for intervention from other Nations to persuade Israel to stop the firing and Human Rights to make some noise. If you are so meek why do you start the riots and air strikes.

Innocent Palestinian citizens are dying. They already have such wretched lives. It doesnt matter who is in the right or wrong anymore. This has to stop

Edited May 15, 2021 by Vickydev

[Gollum]

29 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

The 'support' Israel gets from the ' twitter dharmics' is not by the virtue of the moral standard that the state of Israel has upheld or the alliance that India has with Israel. It is simply because the people Israel are fighting are mainly Muslims. 

You have a point but not entirely true IMO.

 

Palestinians too support Pak when it comes to Kashmir, not Mahmoud Abbas (tbh both Ind and Pal govts try to maintain neutrality and are more mature in securing their interests) but general tilt of their public is pro-Pak. Just like how Azeris on SM were so vocal against India during Balakot saga....pushed many Indians to Armenian camp during that war last year. You won't see 'twitter dharmics' talk **** about UAE or even Indonesia....sure you can find a few isolated instances but in general even twitter dharmics are pro-UAE and anti-Nepal....which one is the Muslim country? 

 

Israel has helped us in many of our wars/conflicts for many decades now. Even 1971 war when we were close to the Soviets. Pal never had the might or scope to be of assistance in any way. 

 

Stuff like this doesn't help....a Palestinian envoy in an anti-India rally sharing stage with Hafiz Saeed....he was called back but you can't undo certain things. Happened 2 years back. This goes beyond religion.....if some Israeli envoy did something similar publicly don't you think that would change perception?

 

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For example, Russia a major ally of India for a really long time is involved in some limited conflict with Ukraine for the last few years. I simply do not see any 'patriots' put up the Russian flag next to their bio and #IstandwithPutin. Apart from @velu that is.  It simply doesn't resonate with the masses. Wonder why?

Not many were/are aware of the Crimean conflict, this ME conflict is like a Super Bowl or blockbuster flick which resonates around the world...what Russia did in Georgia (2008) or Ukraine is like arthouse film which a handful of foreign policy enthusiasts and UPSC candidates bother to read about. But from what I saw Indians were pro-Russia/Putin back when the crisis exploded. Even GOI backed Russia earning a lot of criticism in Ukrainian and Western press. 

Edited May 15, 2021 by Gollum

[Alam_dar]

43 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Islamic extremism in whole Muslim world is 1400 years old, to solve a problem first one must accept reality/truth. Not even talking about the medieval era, have you heard about the Moplah genocide in Kerala, happened 100 years ago. 

 

Regarding rest of your post, yeah Israel is no innocent party and colonizers *ed everyone over. Sympathies with ordinary Palestinian citizens who bear the brunt. 

 

I totally agree with you that Muslims were extremists right from the beginning of their history. 

 

But it is also true that British Rule succeeded in making the some what Liberal too (especially the Palestinians/Lebanon/Syrian Muslims of that time). 

 

In my opinion, even if there were Hindus in Palestine at that time, still the war against the foreign settlers was incumbent. 

 

Therefore, despite all the faults in Islam and Muslims, still in this particular case the PRIMARY Blame goes to the foreign powers and settlers. 

 

The worst part is this still today justice has not been done against the illegal settlements of Jews, which are the main cause that Hamas came into being and got so much support. These illegal settlements are not for the "safety" of Jewish people, but they only have the religious madness attacked to it while Jews consider that their God promised them this land as their birth right. 

 

The final loser is the Secular Movement, while Muslim Mullahs very successfully put all the blame of Israeli settlements upon the Secular movement. While the reality is this that most of the Secularists in Europe and US don't support these illegal settlements, but these are mainly the Religious/Conservative population of Europe/US who stands with Israel upon this issue of illegal settlements. 

[Dery]

Every apartheid state falls sooner or later... just wish it doesn't result in a bloodbath 

[Dery]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/05/13/aoc-says-bidens-refusal-condemn-israeli-attacks-palestinians-takes-side-side

 

"Blanket statements like these with little context or acknowledgement of what precipitated this cycle of violence—namely, the expulsions of Palestinians and attacks on Al-Aqsa—dehumanize Palestinians and imply the U.S. will look the other way at human rights violations. It's wrong," said Ocasio-Cortez, echoing other critics' depiction of Biden's comments as a "green light" for Israel to continue its deadly attacks.

"By only stepping in to name Hamas' actions—which are condemnable—and refusing to acknowledge the rights of Palestinians, Biden reinforces the false idea that Palestinians instigated this cycle of violence," the New York Democrat continued. "This is not neutral language. It takes a side—the side of occupation

 

 

[Straight Drive]

1 hour ago, Vickydev said:

Innocent Palestinian citizens are dying. They already have such wretched lives. It doesnt matter who is in the right or wrong anymore. This has to stop

In a war some innocent people will die and in cases where innocent people are used as human sheilds there will be lot of such casualty. It is inevitable. Therefore, it would have been more prudent if the terrorists had stopped being terrorist and got involved in improving their wretched life by getting education, doing proper jobs and other things what normal people do. But some prefer the means of earning money by throwing stones, firing bullets, being suicide bombers and what not.

 

The casualties that are happening now is their own dumbness and they are facing the after effects of their false bravado that they will stomp over Israel.

 

You can't expect to provoke a mighty opponent and then as soon as casualties go up , plead for war to stop the very next moment. Wars do not stop like that. Opponents will try to get a good control when they are dominating in war.  In war like situations there will be casualty. I hope those who started riots and provoked Israel should have known the after effects of war before getting into one. Terrorists of Gaza would have caused more casualties if the Israel dome defence was not there or if Israel was weak. There are casualties on Israel side as well.

 

Stop this poor Palestinians theory. Many of them are blacklisted terrorists.  Had they caused as much damage as Israel did, the same Palestinians and other Muslims across world would have said this is might of Muslims and what not.  Whereas now Palestinians are losing, they are acting like cry babies and expecting other nations will persuade Israel not to inflict more damage and running after Human Rights. Laughable that terrorists are talking about human rights.

 

There is no point thinking about the loss of life and property after getting involved in war. The drawbacks of war should have been considered prior to provoking a war.  "Think before you act".

Edited May 15, 2021 by Straight Drive

[Dery]

As U.S. officials publicly insist they are doing all they can to deescalate the violence, the Biden administration on Wednesday continued to block the release of a United Nations Security Council statement aimed at reducing tensions. Agence France-Presse reported that 14 of the 15 members of the body supported adopting the joint statement, with the U.S. remaining the lone opponent.

 

UNSC includes India as well. So US is blocking our proposal too just so  Israel can bomb innocent Palestinians. I don't understand why so called nationalists here are opposed to our own proposal... oh wait I do know why 

Edited May 15, 2021 by Dery

[Yoda-esque]

Every apartheid state falls sooner or later... just wish it doesn't result in a bloodbath 

We defeated Kangress in 2014,thank you

[Alam_dar]

14 minutes ago, Dery said:

Every apartheid state falls sooner or later... just wish it doesn't result in a bloodbath 

 

I am afraid that there is no such law of nature present in reality that ever apartheid state will fall. This is only the talk of the religious people who believe in miracle of god. 

 

Just consider Muslims of the Past. 

 

What prophet of Islam did with the Jews of Banu Qurayzah or with pagan tribes that he attacked at night?

 

Prophet Muhammad killed all the men, and made all the women and small children slaves for whole of their lives. Then he allowed the Jihadis to rape the slave women and even small girls. And then he allowed to sell them to new masters after they had fulfilled their lust. And the new master again stated raping them and afterwards sold them to the 3rd master. 

 

This is 1000 times worse than what apartheid State of Israel does to the Palestinians. 

 

If I tell you how apartheid the Caliphate of Umar Ibn Khattab was, then you will forget the State of Israel. 

 

Conclusion:

 

There is no such natural rule that apartheid states will be demolished automatically. No, we human beings are responsible for that. Otherwise slavery continued for thousands of years of human history, and only when humans themselves decided to stand against it in 20th century, only then slavery went away. 

 

 

[ravishingravi]

So, what policy of Israel is specifically apartheid ? 

[Dery]

18 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said:

53 minutes ago, Dery said:

Every apartheid state falls sooner or later... just wish it doesn't result in a bloodbath 

We defeated Kangress in 2014,thank you

Opposing India's proposals in the UNSC to support some other country & still pretending to be a nationalist  

Edited May 15, 2021 by Dery

[Alam_dar]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

PS: you can even go back more in history when Islamist captured the land of Israel, destroyed jew temple and built Al Aksa mosque. Jews did the same. Captured the area and turned it back to Israel.

 

You are right about the old history. 

 

But thing is this that present civilised word decided to live under the UN rules. 

 

Israel was itself created under these rules of UN. 

Thus we could not go to the older history and start justifying the Israeli illegal occupations against the UN laws today. 

 

Destroying UN rules for the sake of Jewish religious nuts is foolish. Muslim extremists have been successfully using this foolishness for their agenda. If people stop believing in the UN today, then they will return to the times of ignorance and against a we will see a lot of human blood and genocides everywhere. 

[Alam_dar]

23 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

So, what policy of Israel is specifically apartheid ? 

 

Just listen to this Irish Member of Parliament as he is telling about the apartheid policies of Israel. 

 

 

[ravishingravi]

4 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Just listen to this Irish Member of Parliament as he is telling about the apartheid policies of Israel. 

 

 

This was predictable. I think most countries in the world are apartheid by that standard. Pakistan for instance cannot allow non Muslim to hold a constitutional position. Middle East Muslim countries don’t allow other religions or for that matter Shias / Sunnis to practice their faiths in the manner they deem fit. Hungary and Poland can be considered apartheid state. 
 

I can literally go through each country’s policies and constitution and call them apartheid. However, I do know that there are Arabs calling for end of Jewish state in Israel and they have a right to. While on Palestinian side if you say a word against Hamas you burnt alive. Gays are also to be thrown off rooftops in Holy Hamas land. 

[velu]

was going through some youtube videos and comments of major news channels ..

republic tv is the only channel interviewing Israeli est/people .. someone commented it as "Israel republic tv"  

[ravishingravi]

To be clear. These are policies of non apartheid state. 
 

https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

[Vickydev]

1 hour ago, Straight Drive said:

In a war some innocent people will die and in cases where innocent people are used as human sheilds there will be lot of such casualty. It is inevitable. Therefore, it would have been more prudent if the terrorists had stopped being terrorist and got involved in improving their wretched life by getting education, doing proper jobs and other things what normal people do. But some prefer the means of earning money by throwing stones, firing bullets, being suicide bombers and what not.

 

The casualties that are happening now is their own dumbness and they are facing the after effects of their false bravado that they will stomp over Israel.

 

You can't expect to provoke a mighty opponent and then as soon as casualties go up , plead for war to stop the very next moment. Wars do not stop like that. Opponents will try to get a good control when they are dominating in war.  In war like situations there will be casualty. I hope those who started riots and provoked Israel should have known the after effects of war before getting into one. Terrorists of Gaza would have caused more casualties if the Israel dome defence was not there or if Israel was weak. There are casualties on Israel side as well.

 

Stop this poor Palestinians theory. Many of them are blacklisted terrorists.  Had they caused as much damage as Israel did, the same Palestinians and other Muslims across world would have said this is might of Muslims and what not.  Whereas now Palestinians are losing, they are acting like cry babies and expecting other nations will persuade Israel not to inflict more damage and running after Human Rights. Laughable that terrorists are talking about human rights.

 

There is no point thinking about the loss of life and property after getting involved in war. The drawbacks of war should have been considered prior to provoking a war.  "Think before you act".

Gaza isnt just Hamas, so you must know. Even Hamas are not classified as a terrorist organisation by UN. Could you please state how many Palestinians are, for you to call them that? I mean you must have some stats to back you since a many of them belong to that category according to you. Its embarrassing reading a post like this brushing aside death of kids as mere collateral. Effing IDF soldiers have more heart than you sir.

 

Its easy for us to sit and here and comfortably pass judgements on those people who dont even know what a normal life is. Read up about how Arab Israelis are being treated right now in Haifa and Tel Aviv, forget about the Palestinians in the West Bank or the blockaded Gaza strip. People who have had to move around as refugees across the globe should just work hard enough to not be seen as terrorist in your eyes. What an obtuse post.

[MechEng]

You know what? Humans can never live peacefully.

 

Humans can come up with genius creations like air conditioner, aircraft, computer, artificial intelligence, electronics, classical music and other works of art. But Humans can never live peacefully with one another.

 

Whether it be constant wars or the recent theory of coronavirus being a deliberate warfare tactic from China making many people lose their family members, our Darwinian instincts are so strong that we fail to see how the society is getting gradually dehumanized.

[Alam_dar]

31 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

This was predictable. I think most countries in the world are apartheid by that standard. Pakistan for instance cannot allow non Muslim to hold a constitutional position. Middle East Muslim countries don’t allow other religions or for that matter Shias / Sunnis to practice their faiths in the manner they deem fit. Hungary and Poland can be considered apartheid state. 
 

I can literally go through each country’s policies and constitution and call them apartheid. However, I do know that there are Arabs calling for end of Jewish state in Israel and they have a right to. While on Palestinian side if you say a word against Hamas you burnt alive. Gays are also to be thrown off rooftops in Holy Hamas land. 

 

I am afraid that bringing this argument against me is of no use. 

 

I have absolutely no problem in calling all these States apartheid too. Actually they must be called as apartheid so that the world could understand the miseries of the minorities in these lands too. I feel myself satisfied only with laws that European and Scandinavian countries have.  

 

I don't like present mentality of State of Israel where they have a chance to go for a peace process according to Oslo accord, but only due to their religious madness, they are going for illegal settlements. This is giving legitimacy to Muslim extremism and they have been successfully misusing it to bring more terror. 

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Alam_dar said:

 

I am afraid that there is no such law of nature present in reality that ever apartheid state will fall. This is only the talk of the religious people who believe in miracle of god. 

 

Just consider Muslims of the Past. 

 

What prophet of Islam did with the Jews of Banu Qurayzah or with pagan tribes that he attacked at night?

 

Prophet Muhammad killed all the men, and made all the women and small children slaves for whole of their lives. Then he allowed the Jihadis to rape the slave women and even small girls. And then he allowed to sell them to new masters after they had fulfilled their lust. And the new master again stated raping them and afterwards sold them to the 3rd master. 

 

This is 1000 times worse than what apartheid State of Israel does to the Palestinians. 

 

If I tell you how apartheid the Caliphate of Umar Ibn Khattab was, then you will forget the State of Israel. 

 

Conclusion:

 

There is no such natural rule that apartheid states will be demolished automatically. No, we human beings are responsible for that. Otherwise slavery continued for thousands of years of human history, and only when humans themselves decided to stand against it in 20th century, only then slavery went away. 

 

 

Absolutely Wrong, Hindus would have lived with Jews as neither side has any interest in spreading their religion.