Youths pass casteist remarks at Indian hockey player Vandana Katariya’s kin, one arrested

[Mariyam]

19 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

SC ST and perhaps MBC reservation is ok. OBC reservation is BS . So many dominant castes like Yadav's , Jaats , Maratha's  etc have entered in obc category just on the basis of numbers. Infact many of these castes are actually big oppressors of SC ST.

This is true. And a very disturbing trend.

Communities are in a race to identify themselves as backwards so that they can avail these benefits.

 

Jats, Marathas, Muslims in some states clamour for benefits though they may have not been oppressed/denied opportunities historically. What is unfolding is the painstakingly slow death of merit.

 

It is also very difficult to take away reservation from a group once it has been accorded. Electoral harakiri. 

Edited August 5, 2021 by Mariyam

[ash]

10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

It is still alleged, wait till the case is proven. SC/ST has been used for all types of disputes.

This "innocent until proven guilty" approach of yours applies only for cases involving Dalits eh? Cause I have definitely seen you asking for strict action on the "alleged" criminals in some other similar threads, particularly if the criminals are Muslims and other Non Hindus. 

 

Edited August 5, 2021 by ash

[ash]

1 minute ago, Mariyam said:

This is true. And a very disturbing trend.

Communities are in a race to identify themselves as backwards so that they can avail these benefits.

 

Jats, Marathas, Muslims in some states all clamour for benefits though they may have not been oppressed/denied opportunities historically. The painstakingly slow death of merit.

 

It is also very difficult to take away reservation from a group once it has been accorded. Electoral harakiri. 

Only way is to erase caste pride from the society. 

[Mariyam]

1 minute ago, ash said:

Only way is to erase caste pride from the society. 

How?

 

Giving an undeserving group an advantage to offset the historical wrong another group was subjected to?

 

 

[coffee_rules]

16 minutes ago, ash said:

This "innocent until proven guilty" approach of yours applies only for cases involving Dalits eh? Cause I have definitely seen you asking for strict action on the "alleged" criminals in some other similar threads, particularly if the criminals are Muslims and other Non Hindus. 

 

Fair enough, I go by precedence and historical evidence, there is enough precendence and history in this case too.  Casteism is the bane of Indian society,

[gattaca]

34 minutes ago, ash said:

Only way is to erase caste pride from the society. 

By raising it every time lol. If you really want to eradicate it don’t register people under castes. The govt it self identifies people under caste.

Edited August 5, 2021 by gattaca

[ash]

9 minutes ago, gattaca said:

By raising it every time lol. If you really want to eradicate it don’t register people under castes. 

Lol. Do you think people come to know about their caste only from their certificates. Caste system was there even before the times of official record keeping. People continue to find innovative ways to identify Dalits and discriminate, from their street, food, accent, surname etc. 

 

Even if the govt passes an order like demonization that from tomorrow castes won't be in official records, caste system will still be there for generations. This needs a cultural change. 

Edited August 5, 2021 by ash

[nikred]

Lol. Do you think people come to know about their caste only from their certificates. Caste system was there even before the times of official record keeping. People continue to find innovative ways to identify Dalits and discriminate, from their street, food, accent, surname etc. 

 

....and you know this how?

 

 

 

 

 

[ash]

7 minutes ago, nikred said:

....and you know this how?

 

 

 

 

 

Lots of studies and data. Refer below for example of how surname and accent is used to identify caste 

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/10/caste-aside-hide-names-to-curb-dalit-job-bias-in-india-study-says

 

[Real McCoy]

Action has been taken by arresting the said persons who threatened based on caste. What else is there to discuss. One poster wants to erase caste pride. Hmmm. That is something karl marx would agree with. Castes whether it be good or not are a natural order of society. what is abnormal is caste hatred. in communist analogy it can be equated to class. this is soft communism. this guy has an agenda or probably has a low IQ to fall for communist ideology.

@coffee_rules the cisco case is not that straight forward. I thought it was a desi version of BLM but later on my brother had an interesting take on it. His friend had an issue with his neighbor. Both are tamils and the neighbor was a brahmin. All was well until the neighbor found out my brother's friend was not a brahmin. After that, he became persona non grata Who knows what that guy had suffered in TN at the hands of non Brahmins. This becomes a touchy subject that has to be handled with care. the guy who posted erasing caste pride is the answer is as dumb as a box of rocks. or maybe he wants more quarrel to fuel his politics. 

[coffee_rules]

41 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Action has been taken by arresting the said persons who threatened based on caste. What else is there to discuss. One poster wants to erase caste pride. Hmmm. That is something karl marx would agree with. Castes whether it be good or not are a natural order of society. what is abnormal is caste hatred. in communist analogy it can be equated to class. this is soft communism. this guy has an agenda or probably has a low IQ to fall for communist ideology.

@coffee_rules the cisco case is not that straight forward. I thought it was a desi version of BLM but later on my brother had an interesting take on it. His friend had an issue with his neighbor. Both are tamils and the neighbor was a brahmin. All was well until the neighbor found out my brother's friend was not a brahmin. After that, he became persona non grata Who knows what that guy had suffered in TN at the hands of non Brahmins. This becomes a touchy subject that has to be handled with care. the guy who posted erasing caste pride is the answer is as dumb as a box of rocks. or maybe he wants more quarrel to fuel his politics. 

 

I am quoting about the court case. State was influenced by Dalit organizations and use a federal law of discrimination in the corporate. They had a flimsy case of he said-they said which will be hard to prove. From what I know from friends who work in Cisco, it was more of a water-cooler/locker room talk that the guy came to know of. They built a case by lawyering up, EqualityLabs looking for a good story in USA to show casteism. Corporates will stand by their employees esp in discrimination cases - sexual etc and don't want bad publicity. In this case, the promotion denial is hard to prove as the company can show his ability as the reason for not getting promoted. 

 

Rest of the discrimination is all anecdotal. There have been bad people who look at caste first socially, but never in workplace. It is more of regional groupism - Tamils, Telugus ganging up together in common teams. Socially, caste is prevalent. There are 47 telugu associations in USA, one for each caste/region from AP/Telengana. But I have never seen it in temples/work places ever. Not talking/mingling because of caste is as good or as bad as India. 

 

As far as the said Progressive is concerned, what can we say about support for grace marks to pass just to fulfill a quota. Doesn't it cause dilution of merit/quality in society? Most of the reservations for SC/STs are availed by the upper class in those communities. A rich Dalit gets his kin into good jobs, while the poor in rural areas still get discriminated. Why not have an economic criteria even within the community so we can achieve economic upliftment? Reservation is a political tool causing India's downfall and poor are staying poor. 

[Gollum]

52 minutes ago, Under_Score said:

It won't be surprising if some bamman pieces of shyt did this......most of them are the evil ones in the society who brought the caste system in India for their benefit. This jumla party bjp is full of them....Shame!!

 

 

 

 

 

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SC/ST Act has been lodged against three persons Vijay Pal, Ankur Pal and Sumit Chauhan and other unidentified persons at Sidcul police station.

Bammans? 

 

There is caste system in all religions in India. As a Sikh you must know the state of Mazhabi Sikhs, in fact Punjab is one of the worst states for Dalits in India. So what does that make Jat Sikhs? Muslims have Ashrafs and Pasmandas. Christians have honour killings over inter-caste marriage. If other religions in India haven't been able to come out of caste system despite being separate from Hinduism for 100s of years fault lies within their communities. 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Gollum

[Gollum]

In every state in India, main friction is between OBCs and SC/STs. Look at UP where Dalits prefer to ally with Brahmins against Yadavs. TN caste riots, look at the sides who have max disputes.....PMK vs Dalits (VCK) in northern TN. Maharashtra? MP? Rajasthan? When so many communities want reservation and the pie is only so big, expect more of this in coming years, intra-OBC fights gonna be the next thing. 

[Gollum]

55 minutes ago, Under_Score said:

This jumla party bjp is full of them....Shame!!

All parties are UC dominated, even Muslim ones. At least Modi is an OBC. 

 

BJP picked a Dalit President, before that a Muslim. Max representation of Dalits and other lower castes in ministry, state units, MPs, MLAs etc. If not on the ground at least BJP is nominally doing something for lower castes. What stops other parties from doing more for lower castes, at least at political level? What stops Punjab from having a Dalit as CM? Or Maharashtra, TN, Bengal, Odisha? When Dalits bore the brunt of violence in Bengal post election results, didn't see any concern for them from other parties or sections of our society. In fact BJP haters were mocking the victims, cheering on TMC goons/rapists etc. 

 

If supporters of other parties want to point fingers at BJP over caste representation, they will have more credibility if they can fix their houses first. 

 

BJP is indeed a jumla party, disappointed its followers, missed so many opportunities to set the country on the right path despite huge mandates, *ing frauds. But truth is almost all parties in India are ****, especially the national ones. I want good opposition parties to come up, kick BJP in the balls and raise the bar in Indian politics, but that isn't happening unfortunately. 

[G_B_]

1 hour ago, Under_Score said:

It won't be surprising if some bamman pieces of shyt did this......most of them are the evil ones in the society who brought the caste system in India for their benefit. This jumla party bjp is full of them....Shame!!

 

 

 

 

Would be great if punjab leads the way and elects a non jat cm given that the state has the highest % of sc communities.

 

For all the hatred of bammans jats seem to be clinging a lot to power not giving others a chance...

 

So far only bjp has declared that a person from the sc community will be cm in punjab.

 

The truth is sc and st communities are finding increasing representation only in the bjp.

 

Somebody like @ash needs to answer why sc community has only 3 representatives in the tamil nadu cabinet in supposedly social justice oriented dmk. Barely any dmk district secretaries are sc. Modi cabinet has much more. Murugan was bjp president and now is a cabinet minister. 

 

There in highlights the issue. Posters like ash will spew righteous social justice. The parties they support just do lip service.

 

Only in the bjp sc and st communities actually get respect and power...

 

 

 

 

[diga]

1 hour ago, G_B_ said:

 

There in highlights the issue. Posters like ash will spew righteous social justice. The parties they support just do lip service.

 

To be fair to the poster @ash , he did say that "OBC dominant castes are one of the biggest oppressors" and the need for eradicating the system itself.  I guess that Interior TN probably has more honor killings in entire South India due to casteism 

[G_B_]

1 hour ago, diga said:

To be fair to the poster @ash , he did say that "OBC dominant castes are one of the biggest oppressors" and the need for eradicating the system itself.  I guess that Interior TN probably has more honor killings in entire South India due to casteism 

 

The best way to counter that is via the bjp under modi and shah.

 

They have built up alliance of non dominant obc and sc communities in most states. 

 

Karnataka is an outlier. 

 

Regional outfits are very much caste oriented at their core

[coffee_rules]

Neighbors disputing, petty to have made it national news . Caste slurs are very commonly used by Indians. We should refrain from caste slurs like calling a person - Bhangi, Kanjar, Bania etc. Even in this thread, a poster used Bamman , a caste slur. You can make out what a low-level thinking person he is. One hand we want to eradicate caste pride, but abuse each other on caste basis. Laanat hain!

Edited August 6, 2021 by coffee_rules

[Khota]

On 8/5/2021 at 6:39 AM, ash said:

My point is many UC Indians think that Dalits can escape casteism if they get rich. Ain't the case. It follows them around throughout their life, even if they achieve economic prosperity. 

So true. Lot of desis look down upon their brothers as if they are inferior.

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, G_B_ said:

 

The best way to counter that is via the bjp under modi and shah.

 

They have built up alliance of non dominant obc and sc communities in most states. 

 

Karnataka is an outlier. 

 

Regional outfits are very much caste oriented at their core

BJP is built around Lingayat-Brahmin voters (UC), Congress used to get that earlier. JDS is from Vokkaligas mainly. They are a party of 3 districts- Mandya, Mysore and Tumkur. A regional outfit within Karnataka. OBCs like Kurubas sway between Congress and JDS, so do Muslims. It is surprising BJP has its first MLA from Mandya district in K-Pet, which was a Volkaligas bastion. It is an outlier for Kar