Sean Bradley Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Pujara is there to make Kohli Look Good, when the captain himself has been failing and crumbling like a cookie every innings, what face will he have in the team and go tell Pujara, "I am ousting you because you have been an utter failure in the last 2 years", Well Pujara can well come back and say, "So Are You"!! Frustrated and Lone Wolf 2 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 4 hours ago, The Realist said: Not really. He may have helped set things up but he didn't power the team over the line. Left it to others to convert draws into wins as blocking only gets you so far. Hilarious now to think people thought he was the heir to Dravid when he puts you to sleep when racking up dot balls. People used to say same for Dravid but his importance was realised once he retired. Link to comment
Dery Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 I saw him celebrate after surviving the review like he had scored a century. Knew then he won't last long. Lone Wolf, Frustrated and sorak 3 Link to comment
Jimmy Cliff Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 9 hours ago, Cricspin said: Highest impact over last decade.. Can you back that up with any stats ?? Virat can easily stake claim to be the player of last decade for India (batting only). Anyways.. can we thank Pujara for his services and let go of him if he does not perform this series ?? Look up the series that we won from 2010-2019. Try to find a series we won where he didn't contribute. Everyone knows how well he did at home but he was also our MVP in our two best away results - SL 2015 and AUS 2018-19. He has failed long enough that he can't complain if he is dropped for the next Test. Link to comment
Jimmy Cliff Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 8 hours ago, The Realist said: Not really. He may have helped set things up but he didn't power the team over the line. Left it to others to convert draws into wins as blocking only gets you so far. Hilarious now to think people thought he was the heir to Dravid when he puts you to sleep when racking up dot balls. No. You're extrapolating the recent Australian series to his entire career. As far as the comparison with Dravid is concerned, he did match his overall output for a fair amount of time. Still has better numbers than Dravid in Australia, South Africa as well as the subcontinent . And for all the hullabaloo over his SR, he still has a better SR than Dravid as well. Not that it matters all that much in Tests. Link to comment
kohli Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 9 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said: No. You're extrapolating the recent Australian series to his entire career. As far as the comparison with Dravid is concerned, he did match his overall output for a fair amount of time. Still has better numbers than Dravid in Australia, South Africa as well as the subcontinent . And for all the hullabaloo over his SR, he still has a better SR than Dravid as well. Not that it matters all that much in Tests. But the main difference between dravid & pujara is , pujara career look like finish after 6k run but dravid was excellent until 9k test run. right now pujara has 6271 run avg 45.77 When dravid reached 6300 run, his avg was 56. express bowling, Cricspin and Lone Wolf 3 Link to comment
Jimmy Cliff Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 54 minutes ago, kohli said: But the main difference between dravid & pujara is , pujara career look like finish after 6k run but dravid was excellent until 9k test run. right now pujara has 6271 run avg 45.77 When dravid reached 6300 run, his avg was 56. That's right. Which is why I didn't claim Pujara was better or even comparable to Dravid overall. kohli 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 On 8/6/2021 at 11:12 PM, kohli said: But the main difference between dravid & pujara is , pujara career look like finish after 6k run but dravid was excellent until 9k test run. right now pujara has 6271 run avg 45.77 When dravid reached 6300 run, his avg was 56. 2000s saw few of the best batting conditions. The kind of pitches and top class bowling we have seen in 2010s, more in last 5 years, wasn't there in 2000s, especially the flat pitches everywhere except SA. Dravid was great between 2002-2006. Other than that, his batting average was in early 40s. Had sharp decline for six years after 2006. GoldenSun, Suhaan and Cricspin 1 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 My main issue with Pujara has always been that ... he almost always had to have the game come to him.and he rarely went to the game. If the game required hanging on and just playing out the balls then he used to be an absolute master of it. No one was better But if the game needed a different tempo then he could rarely respond adequately, especially when playing outside Asia. Cricspin and BacktoCricaddict 2 Link to comment
kohli Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 6 hours ago, rkt.india said: 2000s saw few of the best batting conditions. The kind of pitches and top class bowling we have seen in 2010s, more in last 5 years, wasn't there in 2000s, especially the flat pitches everywhere except SA. Dravid was great between 2002-2006. Other than that, his batting average was in early 40s. Had sharp decline for six years after 2006. From 1996-1999 ( dravid avg was 50) Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted August 9, 2021 Author Share Posted August 9, 2021 6 hours ago, kohli said: From 1996-1999 ( dravid avg was 50) Prime Bottle cap era Pujara would make a World record in Bowled LBW during that period. Link to comment
BacktoCricaddict Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 17 hours ago, express bowling said: My main issue with Pujara has always been that ... he almost always had to have the game come to him.and he rarely went to the game. If the game required hanging on and just playing out the balls then he used to be an absolute master of it. No one was better But if the game needed a different tempo then he could rarely respond adequately, especially when playing outside Asia. When the team's back is against the wall and needs someone to just hold fort - he's the man. He showed that in multiple innings in Australia 2020-21. He just wasn't looking very good. He was not timing the ball. He was taking body blows just to avoid getting out. He looked awkward against Nathan Lyon. But he did not give his wicket. He was there to pi$$ the bowlers off and tire them out so others could capitalize. But when the team returned to India for the Eng series, that is not what the team needed, and he was completely out of sorts. express bowling and Lord 2 Link to comment
BacktoCricaddict Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 38 minutes ago, Cricspin said: Lol. What are you talking about ? Did you watch Dravid bat throughout his career or check his stats ? His average never dropped below 45 after his 9th Test match. No early 40's. He mostly averaged between 47-54 during 1997-2001. During 2002-2006 he mostly averaged 55-58. Yes this was his peak period as a batter. His age was 29-33 during this period. While he had a decline but it was only during 2007-2008. He averaged 52 from 2009 to his retirement. He scored 10 centuries from 2009-2012. Basically he did not average early 40's before 2002 and his career declined only 6 runs in average from peak to end. That is normal for lot of players and nothing sharp. Sharp is Pujara who had a much better start than Dravid and Pujara went to 65 plus average during first 10-20 games. Pujara slowly dropped to 47-53 average between age 26-31 and now at 33 already his average has dropped to 45. That is a 20 run drop from peak average and he is only 33 where decline is supposed to start. Unless Pujara pulls off a late career miracle revival, I see him going down from here to retirement. But that crunching boundary off the last ball of the 4th day gives me some hope that he is seeing the ball and reacting better. I know, it's just one ball .... even Bumrah hit 4,6,4 in the 1st innings but hope springs eternal. kohli 1 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) Pujara should be brand ambassador of Gujarat tourism. Big B has gone old. He is the Gujju pride now. Tagline: Somnaath dham ke darshan kare Pujara ke saath Edited August 12, 2021 by Lone Wolf Frustrated and raki05 2 Link to comment
Bigg Brother Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 He seems done, will be dropped from squad altogether just like GG to get picked up as test specialist just to get dumped again. Shaw/Vihari/Gill(when fit) should be picked now. Link to comment
HouMac Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 I've noticed a concerted effort on his part on this tour to play a little more aggressive early in the innings. I'm sure mgmt has basically told him to NOT do the 10-runs-in-100-balls thing. And I consider that to be good advice. But that's clearly not working either. So playing at snail's pace ain't working and neither is playing with intent. So yeah, he indeed is DONE and barring something drastic happening, I don't see him being with the team for much longer. Frustrated 1 Link to comment
Texan Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Bumrah got more runs in one innings than Pujara got in 3 innings combined. nevada and Frustrated 1 1 Link to comment
CodeOfWisden Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Okay, he is trash these days. Drop him but he won us many series, made us invincible at home and in Aus. Surely an Indian great. Awesome career, but time to go now. nevada and Lord 2 Link to comment
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