What should be the BCCI response in case Manchester test is awarded to England by forfeit resulting in 2-2 series result?

[mishra]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

If we had 11+ at least 2 players (for concussion subs and injuries) we should play. No excuses. If we can’t, we forefit.

 

Now if the entire team was covid positive that would have been a different debate.

Uk laws says l, every Indian player have to isolate and get tested. They can not play today, may be few days later

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

 

Why do I see so many Indian fans repeating this nonsense?

can you articulate better why it doesn’t make sense to you? 

[LordPrabhzy]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

If we had 11+ at least 2 players (for concussion subs and injuries) we should play. No excuses. If we can’t, we forefit.

 

Now if the entire team was covid positive that would have been a different debate.

There have many positive tests in Premier League football games.. they test the rest and if they are negative then the match goes an normal. The only reason why players have this 'apprehension' is due to BCCI pressure to ensure they do not miss the IPL start due to any subsequent positive cases ( which may not happen).

 

On the flipside, there are no bubbles in the UK, if Kohli and co are citing wellbeing for their families as an excuse not to play, then why did they continue to behave like normal UK people in the time they have been here? They go to packed events, restaurants, days out, book launches. You cant have it both ways- you cant not want to accept the risk but at the same time not compromise on your enjoyment as well.

[Sean Bradley]

11 minutes ago, sandeep said:

 

nonsense.  Absolute nonsense.

Care to make sense please?

[express bowling]

BCCI needs to use future series with England as it's negotiating tool. If there is talk of forfeiture then 

 

1.  BCCI should threaten to cut down all future 5 test series with England to 3 tests only.

2 . Threaten to reduce the frequency of England tours. Tell them that we will go there once every 7 years.

3. Maybe we can use this window to play 5 test series with Australia and South Africa.

Edited September 10, 2021 by express bowling

[Lord]

Just now, express bowling said:

BCCI needs to use future series with England as it's negotiating tool. If there is talk of forfeiture then 

 

1.  BCCI should cut down all future 5 test series with England to 3 tests only.

2 . Reduce the frequency of England tours. Go there once every 7 years.

3. Maybe we can use this window to play 5 test series with South Africa.

 

and an additional test v Aus. No idea why that is 4 match and this is 5.

[mishra]

1 minute ago, LordPrabhzy said:

There have many positive tests in Premier League football games.. they test the rest and if they are negative then the match goes an normal. The only reason why players have this 'apprehension' is due to BCCI pressure to ensure they do not miss the IPL start due to any subsequent positive cases ( which may not happen).

 

On the flipside, there are no bubbles in the UK, if Kohli and co are citing wellbeing for their families as an excuse not to play, then why did they continue to behave like normal UK people in the time they have been here? They go to packed events, restaurants, days out, book launches. You cant have it both ways- you cant not want to accept the risk but at the same time not compromise on your enjoyment as well.

No comparison. Players are living in hotel and not their homes. Best solution would have been ECB renting say 50 houses and ensuring all the matches are played within drivable distance

[goose]

6 minutes ago, mishra said:

Uk laws says l, every Indian player have to isolate and get tested. They can not play today, may be few days later

why didn't our players have concerns / or comply with UK law during the Oval test when Shastri tested +ve?

[LordPrabhzy]

Just now, mishra said:

No comparison. Players are living in hotel and not their homes. Best solution would have been ECB renting say 50 houses and ensuring all the matches are played within drivable distance

 

LOL why the eff would ECB do that? all touring teams get the same facilities and conditions. Why should India get special treatment? BCCI if they are so protective about their players could have done what you suggested. Im not a supporter of ECB but what you've said here is complete garbage

[Sean Bradley]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

BCCI needs to use future series with England as it's negotiating tool. If there is talk of forfeiture then 

 

1.  BCCI should cut down all future 5 test series with England to 3 tests only.

2 . Reduce the frequency of England tours. Go there once every 7 years.

3. Maybe we can use this window to play 5 test series with South Africa.

Too much of an ego there, we have already cut ties with Pak, you want BCCI to literally cut ties with England because Shastri and Kohli werent following the basic Covid guidelines and went out for some random Books Opening ceremony. 

Edited September 10, 2021 by Sean Bradley

[Sean Bradley]

7 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

What? Again, why are Indian fans repeating this nonsense? Is it a lack of critical thinking skills?

They were indisciplined, let's agree to disagree here, none of our players have tested positive, why do you think we refused to field a XI? 

Edited September 10, 2021 by Sean Bradley

[maniac]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

BCCI needs to use future series with England as it's negotiating tool. If there is talk of forfeiture then 

 

1.  BCCI should cut down all future 5 test series with England to 3 tests only.

2 . Reduce the frequency of England tours. Go there once every 7 years.

3. Maybe we can use this window to play 5 test series with South Africa.

It’s not that easy. England and Aus series are the biggest money spinners and we don’t play Pakistan which likely will be another series the common public will watch.

 

BCCI is the boss but they need to maintain a fine line while doing business.

 

Even putting all that rhetoric aside I don’t want to see India playing Srilanka and WI every other month and once we get that elusive win in SA, playing SA will in its current state will look no better than WI.

[mishra]

1 minute ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

LOL why the eff would ECB do that? all touring teams get the same facilities and conditions. Why should India get special treatment? BCCI if they are so protective about their players could have done what you suggested. Im not a supporter of ECB but what you've said here is complete garbage

So why do you compare PL stars living in their own mansions to a touring side. ECB effed up. They gave 1 month break to Indian team in beginning. It can be argued that they could have used that period but they didn’t because their own team was covid positive. 
 

Reality is, ECB wanted india England to be played in full house packed attendance stadiums. They didn’t planned as to what will happen if covid hits and how to mitigate it. 
Now, after the experience, i would say, they would have taken my suggestion of booking 50 houses for staff and a gym and ground for Indian players instead of playing all over the country and making them stay in crowded hotel

[Lone Wolf]

BCCI can do a lot of things..  But I doubt they will.   I will be surprised if end result of the series isn't 2-2...  Or the best case scenario is make sure that one off test gets included as an extended series.  ECB has just floated the idea atm It isn't confirmed as if now. 

Making sure that one off test gets included in this series will be win win for both sides I reckon. 

[sandeep]

11 minutes ago, goose said:

why didn't our players have concerns / or comply with UK law during the Oval test when Shastri tested +ve?

Because Shastri wasn't giving them multi-hour massages and physiotherapy treatments.

 

 I mean, as far as we know. 

[Sean Bradley]

1 minute ago, sarchasm said:

There's nothing to agree or disagree. The matches were played with masses of maskless fans many of whom freely mingled with players - this is the arrangement ECB made for this series. They had no problems with jarvo streaking in on the ground. What exactly is there to disagree about? Are you seriously going to dwell on the book launch when the players are playing matches in conditions with a MILLION of virus vectors across 5 days?

 

Think, ffs.

 

I am sorry who has problems here ? Am I missing something? It's the BCCI and the Team India who has refused to field a XI, why are we shifting the blame on the English? 

[LordPrabhzy]

6 minutes ago, mishra said:

So why do you compare PL stars living in their own mansions to a touring side. ECB effed up. They gave 1 month break to Indian team in beginning. It can be argued that they could have used that period but they didn’t because their own team was covid positive. 
 

Reality is, ECB wanted india England to be played in full house packed attendance stadiums. They didn’t planned as to what will happen if covid hits and how to mitigate it. 
Now, after the experience, i would say, they would have taken my suggestion of booking 50 houses for staff and a gym and ground for Indian players instead of playing all over the country and making them stay in crowded hotel

 

Okay but do you think with this mahapurush idea, the players roaming the country during their break to watch football matches, going to restaurants etc would have had zero Covid transmission and no risk of getting infected? That would only happen if they are staying in a hotel right? Your suggestion would only work if these 50 houses were one ONE locality and that one locality is a bio bubble? If youre from the Uk then clearly you must know that availability of such a scale of real estate is virtually impossible and very expensive. If not then your just spouting garbage for the sake of it

Edited September 10, 2021 by LordPrabhzy

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, maniac said:

It’s not that easy. England and Aus series are the biggest money spinners and we don’t play Pakistan which likely will be another series the common public will watch.

 

BCCI is the boss but they need to maintain a fine line while doing business.

 

Even putting all that rhetoric aside I don’t want to see India playing Srilanka and WI every other month and once we get that elusive win in SA, playing SA will in its current state will look no better than WI.

 

 

1. We can increase the frequency of series with Australia.

 

2. Have 5 test series with Australia, both home and away.

 

See how the ECB reacts to this.  They may even award us this test series 2 - 1

[goose]

the ECB were very naughty putting out the forfeit statement then retracting it minutes later. the seed is planted. anything that remotely works in india's favour from here will be seen as india flexing it's financial muscle and a ECB cowtowing

[sandeep]

24 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

but there has been nothing in England camp so far

Just like ECB managed to "disappear' the security video tapes when Anderson assaulted Jadeja - in front of Dhoni's eyes, I would absolutely not be surprised if ECB staff or players positive tests are suppressed from the media in the name of "health privacy laws".  

 

I do not think its accurate to draw conclusions on what we know - because we simply do not know all the facts of the matter.  ECB's Chief Executive was at the same event that Shastri was.