What should be the BCCI response in case Manchester test is awarded to England by forfeit resulting in 2-2 series result?

[sandeep]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

You can call me a colonial apologist or whatever but just like with colonialism part of the blame goes to us for being colonized too and this situation isn’t any different. 

strawman again - I never used any such words.  But of course, par for the course when it comes to you.

 

1 minute ago, maniac said:

It’s our camp that has covid positives and England has 0. That’s a fact we have to accept.

 

Sure, but "our camp" contracting COVID is not something that should be blamed on them.  Especially when they are not in violation of the tour defined protocols.  

[sandeep]

10 minutes ago, Serpico said:

They're all flying to uae to play in bubbles with the same players for another 2 months

 

yes, but if they isolate now for a week, they give themselves the best probability of not catching it, as opposed to playing T5, assuming they don't have it already.  And even if they do, by starting their isolation now, they give themselves the best chance at increasing their availability for IPL games.  

 

Given that the tour agreement allows for match cancellation due to COVID, why should they give up their personal rights - to minimize chances of infection, and to maximize their earnings?  Why should they be asked to "sacrifice"?  Because you wanted to watch 5 days cricket on TV? Because ECB wanted to earn money?  Why is any of that more "righteous" than an individual player's right to personal safety and personal finances? 

[mishra]

6 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

I am not disagreeing with you. I am saying that based on the situation in the UK now and lose restrictions, you either have to accept the risk based on the activities you chose to do to help your mental health or follow a bio bubble protocol

 

I have said from the start, the best outcome would be end the series as 2-1 to india and BCCI as a gesture of goodwill reimburse something to ECB to close the matter. 

ECB will get their losses covered by insurance. What currently is going on is ECB and BCCI coming together to find out how to make most of current situation. ECB may argue that playing just one match nxt year won’t necessarily be same as one being played when public attention is allready captured. Imo, a couple of matches more to nxt years odi series will be very good solution 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Sean Bradley said:

 

I am sorry who has problems here ? Am I missing something? It's the BCCI and the Team India who has refused to field a XI, why are we shifting the blame on the English? 

Yes, you are missing 5-6 from Indian contingent being Covid positive and most of the player were their close contacts especially physio.

[mishra]

36 minutes ago, mishra said:

They watched and roamed because they could. You cant expect Indian player to behave differently then how locals do unless off course they were specifically reminded every morning not to do so.These players have been in bubbles for ages. Players are humans. Pragmatically someone decided that instead of impacting mental health, and player pulling out like Brn Stokes did, its better to give them some degree of freedom.

 

Current issue is , Players  are scared of contacting covid. And that fear is very real as so many of staff has contacted covid. If you recall, yesterday there was news that Sharma and Kohli said they want to go ahead, but overnight, things have changed. Some may have called cold feet. Players are humans too and This fear of death due to covid is as real to them as it is to us.

 

Idea that covid positive is because Shashtri attended some book ceremony is just a blame game by media.

Confirmed

 

https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/india-in-england/wasnt-outbreak-of-covid-it-was-perception-of-what-might-happen-that-caused-cancellation-ecb-ceo-tom-harrison/articleshow/86094861.cms#_ga=2.100004056.715466361.1630673877-713848578.1627118164

[GeeGaw]

BCCI needs to nut up and threaten the nuclear options if forfeit is enforced:

 

1.  2023 IPL will be scheduled to coincide with your stupid Ashes series.  Put some pressure on CA to tell ECB to get their asses back in line.

2.  Any time ECB schedules a series BCCI will counter with a series of its own at the same time.  Let's see which series gets the eyeballs and advertising $.

3.  No tours of England for minimum 5 years just for spite.  Throw a bone to CA by increasing tours there.

 

You give those threats real teeth and ECB will tuck tail and run.

[maniac]

9 minutes ago, GeeGaw said:

BCCI needs to nut up and threaten the nuclear options if forfeit is enforced:

 

1.  2023 IPL will be scheduled to coincide with your stupid Ashes series.  Put some pressure on CA to tell ECB to get their asses back in line.

whose loss is that if major English and Aussie names won’t be available. No it’s not BCCI’s directly but the franchises who invest heavily 

2.  Any time ECB schedules a series BCCI will counter with a series of its own at the same time.  Let's see which series gets the eyeballs and advertising $.

Doesnt this already happen? Haven’t England and India played other oppositions on the same day?

3.  No tours of England for minimum 5 years just for spite.  Throw a bone to CA by increasing tours there.

That will effect ECB sure but at what cost? There is hardly any interest when India plays at least 4-5 test teams right now because of the quality. Why wouldn’t India want to play England regularly when it is a top side 

 

You give those threats real teeth and ECB will tuck tail and run.

You can give broad statements about fixing the world economy and how to get world peace too only if it were that simple. See answers in bold in the quoted post.

[express bowling]

I would like know what kind of precautions the English players and their support staff took during this series.

 

Did ANY of them go to any indoor public events during this whole tour ?

 

Buttler was allowed to go back and come back without any quarantine time.And he must have visited a hospital during this time.

 

They may not have got Covid yet, but protocols set for them need to be studied too.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

 

yes, but if they isolate now for a week, they give themselves the best probability of not catching it, as opposed to playing T5, assuming they don't have it already.  And even if they do, by starting their isolation now, they give themselves the best chance at increasing their availability for IPL games.  

 

 

 

 

Add to that the health aspect.

 

Let's say even 2 players have actually contracted Covid. And we don't know who they are as of now. Their RT-PCR tests may turn positive within a couple of days.

 

But from a health point of view they should be resting instead of involving themselves in a rigorous sporting activity. 

 

If it's a fast bowler then he should not be sending down 20 overs a day.

 

We have to take care of the health of our players first irrespective of whether the IPL is about to take place or not.

 

This aspect is being ignored by many. It can't be ignored that multiple players have had close contact with the infected physio in a confined space.

[mishra]

^ Management wanted the match both BCCI and ECB. 
 

Players put the foot down despite getting threatened forfeit. Seems like last ditch attempt by ECB to see what the reaction is.
 

Looks like Players weren’t convinced to play as they were uncomfortable despite expert medical opinions on covid given to them by medical professionals.

 

Its all mental state. ECB has insurance in place, so  isn’t worried about economic loss.

 

All in all, we want cricket but not at vost of players well-being.

 

Since its settled, I am all in for Shashtri Kohli bashing threads like their lax approach and so on being root cause of this

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

well if that is your argument, then Shastri was diagnosed as positive during the 4th test, the match still went ahead as scheduled, didn’t it?

 

is there are a 10 day wait for these tests between each test since the beginning of the series because the argument is that players are at risk because of Jarvo and the maskless crowd. You don’t care about the 4th test because we won obviously but there are a lot of flaws in this logic.

 

I am not debating the science but if everything is being done on the basis of science then there are too many flaws here.

Shastri was positive on 4th day and his close contacts were quarantined immediately. Players are close contacts of physio, so they are quarantined.

[R!TTER]

11 minutes ago, mishra said:

Its all mental state. ECB has insurance in place, so  isn’t worried about economic loss.

 

No, looks like they're not!

 

The ECB is not covered for Covid-impacted cancellation by insurance. While Harrison did originally seem to imply it was in an interview on Sky Sports, he later clarified to confirm it was not. Instead, he confirmed that all ticket-holders will be refunded by the ECB. Crucially, he argues that the match was not called-off due to a Covid outbreak, but due to fears of a Covid outbreak.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/eng-vs-ind-2021-abandoned-forfeited-or-postponed-result-of-manchester-test-to-have-big-repercussions-for-ecb-1277231

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Shastri was positive on 4th day and his close contacts were quarantined immediately. Players are close contacts of physio, so they are quarantined.

Which are the players in quarantine and where has BCCI/ ECB or any other official authority said this?

 

Franchises are booking their players to travel to UAE as soon as possible. Why and how wil they be allowed to travel if they are in quarantine in UK?

[neel roy]

2 hours ago, sandeep said:

 

yes, but if they isolate now for a week, they give themselves the best probability of not catching it, as opposed to playing T5, assuming they don't have it already.  And even if they do, by starting their isolation now, they give themselves the best chance at increasing their availability for IPL games.  

 

Given that the tour agreement allows for match cancellation due to COVID, why should they give up their personal rights - to minimize chances of infection, and to maximize their earnings?  Why should they be asked to "sacrifice"?  Because you wanted to watch 5 days cricket on TV? Because ECB wanted to earn money?  Why is any of that more "righteous" than an individual player's right to personal safety and personal finances? 

exactly and I think the scheduling has to be blamed. Just see what the indian team has gone through and what bcci has done to these players..

 

1. India tour of Aus started in Oct 2020 and lasted till jan 2021: 3 t20 3 odis 4 tests

2. India came back and bang in feb they had 4 tests against england, 3 t20s 3 odis

3. As soon as they finished the Ipl Started in April With full quarantine et al. 
4. Post 50 perc ipl india flew in june to play wtc. They had to quarantine again. Then post quarantine they had 5 tests. 
 

india has played 13 tests in last 9 months. Unheard of. India used to play max 8 tests a year. They also played 6 t20s 6 odis. Some members of this team also went to lanka to play 6 lois. Plus half of ipl. Its not a joke to play so much of cricket in normal times itself. And they had to do this all with quarantine, tests, risks etc. Now after all this if they didnt want to play a single test which they agreed will play next year why is there so much of ruccus. Billionaires or millionaires whatever how does it matter. End of day every body has a finite lifespan. No amount of money or properties or bank balance can extend it… when a young 10 year old picks up a bat he dreams to play for the country.. dreams to hit a six to win a match for their country.. whatever said and done we shouldnt judge their intentions and motivations..life is precious..good mental health as well..

Edited September 10, 2021 by neel roy

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, sandeep said:

banjo, have you ever given or recieved a massage?  Its not possible for you to get a massage, and not be breathed upon,  up close, by the masseur.  I mean, come on now.  

 

6 foot dur se massage leta hai vo usko na batana kaise massage hoti hai 

[maniac]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

 

6 foot dur se massage leta hai vo usko na batana kaise massage hoti hai 

Are they standing 6 feet apart during team meetings with Shastri?

[GeeGaw]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

whose loss is that if major English and Aussie names won’t be available. No it’s not BCCI’s directly but the franchises who invest heavily 

Who’s to say the players pick their national teams over the IPL?  Look what happened in England vs NZ series early in the summer.

 

1 hour ago, maniac said:

Doesnt this already happen? Haven’t England and India played other oppositions on the same day?

Of course it’s happened on occasion. Time to make it a full time deal.

 

1 hour ago, maniac said:

Why wouldn’t India want to play England regularly when it is a top side 

To teach their asses a lesson, you know the entire point of this thread.  Jeesh, it’s as if you haven’t been paying attention at all.

 

Tell ECB to back the f*ck off and none of this has to be threatened.

[GeeGaw]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

You can give broad statements about fixing the world economy and how to get world peace too only if it were that simple

You think convincing ECB to back down is the same as fixing the economy and world peace?  Nicka, please.

[rkt.india]

30 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Which are the players in quarantine and where has BCCI/ ECB or any other official authority said this?

 

Franchises are booking their players to travel to UAE as soon as possible. Why and how wil they be allowed to travel if they are in quarantine in UK?

According to UK Covid protocol, They should be in quarantine for at least 6-7 days after coming in contact of a Covid infected person and leave with a negative PCR test after that. If not, it's stupidity and can again lead to cancellation of IPL. IPL can happen even without some of these players. 

Edited September 10, 2021 by rkt.india

[ShoonyaSifar]

Just now, rkt.india said:

They should be in quarantine for at least 6 days and cleared with a negative PCR test after that. If not, it's stupidity and can again lead to cancellation of IPL. IPL can happen even without some of these players. 

You said players are in quarantine. Who are these players?