Shaheen Afridi & Zaheer Khan (Both left armers, but while Zak dominated LH batsmen, Shaheen Afridi is dominated by LH batsmen). What explains such lop sided dominance ?

[rangeelaraja]

Zak totally had the wood over Left hand batters -dominated the prolific likes of Greame Smith and Haydos - almost getting into their head.

 

While LH batsmen have no trouble dominating Shaheen, who is phenomenal against RH batsmen with new ball.

 

Zak swung the ball away from LH batsmen while Shaheen brings it in late to the RH batsmen 

 

In both instances the ball is swinging in the same direction but from different lines ( RHB vs. LHB )

 

Does it mean that neither had absolutely mastery over line to both the Left Handers and the Right Handers ?

 

Can some one explain this technically ? 

Edited November 13, 2021 by rangeelaraja

[MechEng]

You must also factor in that Zaheer Khan never had the physical ability to bowl fast, so he compensated that with a tactical brain by setting up a batsman and bowling the delivery he would least expect the next ball, outfoxing him.

 

Shaheen Afridi is a natural fast bowler who relies on sheer pace and late swing instead of doing the thinking part.

[vayuu1]

13 minutes ago, MechEng said:

You must also factor in that Zaheer Khan never had the physical ability to bowl fast, so he compensated that with a tactical brain by setting up a batsman and bowling the delivery he would least expect the next ball, outfoxing him.

 

Shaheen Afridi is a natural fast bowler who relies on sheer pace and late swing instead of doing the thinking part.

in case u forgot he is a afridi so it comes natural to him.

[MechEng]

12 minutes ago, vayuu1 said:

in case u forgot he is a afridi so it comes natural to him.

 

Jokes apart, I'd like to see him bowl with same intensity he bowled this world cup throughout his career.

[vayuu1]

5 minutes ago, MechEng said:

 

Jokes apart, I'd like to see him bowl with same intensity he bowled this world cup throughout his career.

That intensity is difficult to mantain in tests ,coz test match is absorbing,its easier to maintain that in t20's considering u know u have to only bowl four overs

[Adamant]

Lemme look at Zaheer's average against LHB before coming to a conclusion. 

[Adamant]

I Know Zaheer was phenomenal against LHB in the later part of his career but I don't think he was that good initially. 

[kohli]

Hayden & gilly destroyed zaheer at lot of time.

[kohli]

Zaheer only dominted Hayden in 2007/08 test series when Hayden was done.

[Trichromatic]

Zal is massively overrated. 

[Lone Wolf]

While I enjoyed watching Zak bowl with new ball..  But not sure how good he was lefties. 

 

Shaheen has good numbers vs left hand batsmen in limited overs from what I have seen. 

It's just that our subcontinent bowlers are not used to batsman scoring scoop shots on a bowler bowling 140k+... 

Those shots delivered by Wade will be etched in memory forever. 

I wish our Indian batsman also start playing those strokes...  Instead of usual slogging they do at the death with minimal results. 

You need talent & skill to pull those off.. 

B Mac scooped Shaun tait bowling 150 kph consecutively once.  You needs guts & skill as Simple as that. 

 

[the don]

Can you share some stats please for context. 

Shaheen has done pretty well against left handers as far as I know

[Vickydev]

Zaheer was smashed away to oblivion by Raina in IPL while playing for RCB....If there is no movement it is easier to take on the angle by LHBs 

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Vickydev said:

Zaheer was smashed away to oblivion by Raina in IPL while playing for RCB....If there is no movement it is easier to take on the angle by LHBs 

thats why boult trundler averages 37 in india. no movement on offer then he will be taken to the cleaners. cant believe ro ko got out to him in U.A.E of all places. pathetic. 

[helperononline]

Zaheer use reverse swing and utilise different angles of the pitch to pick wickets 

While Shaheen depends on sheer pace to pick wickets and also Shaheen is not experienced  it was poor captaincy to make him bowl in death overs not that he cannot handle left handers

[Axl100mph]

Shaheen is barely 2.5 years into playing international cricket.

Was Zac dominating lefties in 2002?

If I am not wrong, he came into his own around 2005,06 after some county stints. That is when he became a canny operator.

 

Plus, Shaheen doesn't struggle against lefties. He has a good record against them.

It is just that he tries to overattack which I dont mind, but sometimes in the death that can lead to what happened against Wade.

Edited November 14, 2021 by Axl100mph

[Trichromatic]

Which lefties did Zak dominate?

 

Hayden had great record against India and so did Sanga.Strauss scored twin centuries at Chennai in 2008.

 

Wickets summary

Grouping	Span	Dis	bwd	c fie	c wk	st	lbw	hw	Ave	0s
right-hand batter	2000-2014	178	27	71	46	0	33	1	29.75	22
left-hand batter	2000-2014	133	29	42	32	0	30	0	26.48	18

 

Zak was decent against lefites at best.

[Trichromatic]

On 11/13/2021 at 2:35 PM, Lone Wolf said:

While I enjoyed watching Zak bowl with new ball..  But not sure how good he was lefties. 

 

Shaheen has good numbers vs left hand batsmen in limited overs from what I have seen. 

It's just that our subcontinent bowlers are not used to batsman scoring scoop shots on a bowler bowling 140k+... 

Those shots delivered by Wade will be etched in memory forever. 

I wish our Indian batsman also start playing those strokes...  Instead of usual slogging they do at the death with minimal results. 

You need talent & skill to pull those off.. 

B Mac scooped Shaun tait bowling 150 kph consecutively once.  You needs guts & skill as Simple as that. 

 

 

 

Thing with average bowlers is that whatever aspects they are decent in, it seems like dominance.

 

Similar to what was hyped about Anderson. Steyn was considered relatively weaker against lefties and Anderson was equally good against both. But performance was Steyn was still more dominant than Anderson when it comes to lefties. It just that he was beast against right handed batters and hence the myth which was propagated by English media to hype up Anderson wrt Steyn.

 

Zak did very well in 2011 WC and even then I remember Strauss scoring big century v India. Zak eventually took him out at 158 and India. Zak also got Smith early in WC though.

 

Was it Zak only who got thrashed by Tamim Iqbal? Sanath, Gilchrist all had dominated him.

[Trichromatic]

Any Flower 232

Hayden 203

Jesse Ryder 201

Cook 190

Warner 180

Cook 176

Tamim Iqbal 151

Hussey 150

Hussey 146

Richardson 145

Sanga 144

Chanderpaul 140

Neesham 137

 

There is a long list of lefties whose innings hurt Indian team when Zak was playing. 

[maniac]

Most Pakistanis bowlers are good in T20 because they run out of gas after 4-6 overs usually. Shaheen gets tonked after his first 2 usually.

 

Let Shaheen accomplish something in ODis or tests and then we can compare him with Zaheer.

 

Umar Gul and Shahid Afridi are legendary T20 bowlers too but who cares.