Arshdeep v Avesh v D Chahar v Harshal v Moshin v Prasidh v Umran

[zen]

Considering the 2022 (Aus) & 2024 (WI & USA) T20 WCs, which one (or two) among the new pace bowlers being tried out recently is the better bet and therefore should be given more opportunities? Below are pros & cons of each player: 

 

 

Arshdeep 

• Pros: Yorker specialist and can move the ball as well 
• Cons: A lack of consistent pace. Usually good for some specific role 

 

Avesh 

• Pros: Can bowl at multiple stages. Can bowl 140+ relatively consistently 
• Cons: Appears more like a support/backup bowler 

 

D Chahar 

• Pros: Can swing the bowl. Can bat too. 
• Cons: A power play specialist. Lacks consistent pace. 

 

Harshal 

• Pros: Death overs specialist (esp. in conditions where the ball grips the pitch) 
• Cons: A lack of pace. Limited utility.

 

Moshin

• Pros: Multi stage bowler. Can bowl quick. Uses bounce well. 
• Cons: None so far apart from needing more games to gain experience and improve himself further.

 

Prashid

• Pros: Good at creating awkward bounce. Can bowl quick. 
• Cons: Can have issues at the death. 

 

Umran 

• Pros: Express. X-Factor. 
• Cons: None so far apart from needing more games to gain experience and improve himself further.  

 

 

Apart from these, there are guys like Tyagi and Natarajan, who may not be considered yet (not in the pecking or have lost steam) or have fitness related issues. 

 

Edited June 11, 2022 by zen

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Chahar Arshdeep Patel are same bowlers with different names.

[zen]

51 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

Chahar Arshdeep Patel are same bowlers with different names.

 

In terms of pace, yes, but not necessarily in terms of role as:

 

• D Chahar is more of a powerplay bowling specialist and someone who can bat too. 
• Arshdeep is more about yorkers, and relatively speaking among these 3, a multi stage bowler 
• Harshal is mainly a death over specialist relying on variations in pace and grip off the pitch 

Edited June 11, 2022 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

Chahar Arshdeep Patel are same bowlers with different names.

 

Hahahahaha ..............are u serious 

[Ankit_sharma03]

They shud compete acc to phases

 

PP bowler- Deepak vs Prasidh- Prasidh is not a t20 bowler , he has too many cons and his one Pro is nothing outstanding  - Deepak is miles ahead and has extra skill as well 

Middle phase- Umran & Harshal  - Umran is X factor , Harshal has been excellent for his franchise n India

Death - Arshdeep - Can he go just on one phase i doubt

 

All phase- Mohsin vs Avesh - avesh somehow has gotten the opportunties but hasnt impressed much , Mohsin needs to be tried for sure 

 

Yes for me - Deepak, Harshal, Umran 

No for me- Prasidh 

In doubt - Avesh and Arshdeep

Needs to be tried- Mohsin (really liked him whatever i saw of him ) 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, zen said:

 

In terms of pace, yes, but not necessarily in terms of role as:

 

• D Chahar is more of a powerplay bowling specialist and someone who can bat too. 

 

what is not often mentioned that he doesnt leak runs in other phases 

 

2 hours ago, zen said:

• Arshdeep is more about yorkers, and relatively speaking among these 3, a multi stage bowler 
• Harshal is mainly a death over specialist relying on variations in pace and grip off the pitch 

its a myth, his slower one work becoz  of the dip , nothing to do with pitch grip 

See this one of Pretorious one, both never landed on pitch...........he can do that on any pitch coz its due the dip he gets on the slower ones. In last 2 series he did well where their was dew , we all know ball doesnt grip in dew 

 

 

 

 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

what is not often mentioned that he doesnt leak runs in other phases 

 

its a myth, his slower one work becoz  of the dip , nothing to do with pitch grip 

See this one of Pretorious one, both never landed on pitch...........he can do that on any pitch coz its due the dip he gets on the slower ones. In last 2 series he did well where their was dew , we all know ball doesnt grip in dew 

 

 

 

 

OK, but his cutters would need to pitch. 
 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, zen said:

OK, but his cutters would need to pitch. 
 

 

 

it doesnt , yea a turning pitch makes him more dangerous but his decption comes with his dip .

His n BRavo slower ones are different then others. If anything those longer grounds in Australia will only help a bowler like him , even someone as avg as thakur will punch above his weight in Aus becoz of longer grounds(as in his case was seen in UAE) Even jason holder will take a bunch  of wkts their . On longer grounds u need power which many cant generate at pollard kind of player level so bowler pace is always handy 

 

 

See isme pitch ka koi kaam nhin

 

 

here the guy has explained very well that how his dip broke batsman timing , this is something bravo has done with sucess for years. His slowers one arent similar to others. In Aus such mishits are more dangerous coz grounds are long 

 

[Majestic]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

They shud compete acc to phases

 

PP bowler- Deepak vs Prasidh- Prasidh is not a t20 bowler , he has too many cons and his one Pro is nothing outstanding  - Deepak is miles ahead and has extra skill as well 

Middle phase- Umran & Harshal  - Umran is X factor , Harshal has been excellent for his franchise n India

Death - Arshdeep - Can he go just on one phase i doubt

 

All phase- Mohsin vs Avesh - avesh somehow has gotten the opportunties but hasnt impressed much , Mohsin needs to be tried for sure 

 

Yes for me - Deepak, Harshal, Umran 

No for me- Prasidh 

In doubt - Avesh and Arshdeep

Needs to be tried- Mohsin (really liked him whatever i saw of him ) 

 

Mohammad Shami remains our best new bowl bowler in terms of wicket taking ability. The only problem is what he does for Gujarat, he hasn't done it for India in T20s.

Edited June 12, 2022 by Majestic

[Lone Wolf]

Harshal's utility is far less as he can't bowl with new ball.  He is no Bumrah/Archer at the death either.   He is good in middle overs phase as a container but that too condition specific.

Likes of Boobie has more upside than him I think with new ball & equal ability at death 

[Majestic]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Harshal's utility is far less as he can't bowl with new ball.  He is no Bumrah/Archer at the death either.   He is good in middle overs phase as a container but that too condition specific.

Likes of Boobie has more upside than him I think with new ball & equal ability at death 

Boobie the current version is not at same level as Harshal in middle and death overs. Also, if you have Deepak Chahar, you don't need Boobie. Boobie should come into picture only if Deepak Chahar is unavailable.

 

I would not wanting my new ball bowlers to be Bhuvi and Deepak Chahar and if it is one between these two I pick Deepak Chahar. Pick a Shami or Prasidh(due to height and bounce) alongwith Deepak Chahar with the new ball.

Edited June 12, 2022 by Majestic

[rkt.india]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

what is not often mentioned that he doesnt leak runs in other phases 

 

its a myth, his slower one work becoz  of the dip , nothing to do with pitch grip 

See this one of Pretorious one, both never landed on pitch...........he can do that on any pitch coz its due the dip he gets on the slower ones. In last 2 series he did well where their was dew , we all know ball doesnt grip in dew 

 

 

 

 

Wet ball doesn't dip 

[singhvivek141]

Deepak Chahar vs Harshal Patel
Only one of them should play depending on the team combination. If we're going with Bhuvi and Bumrah, Chahar should play as he can bowl upfront.
Else, if we are playing Shami/Prasidh/Umran and Bumrah, then Harshal should be the go to bowler so that he can support Bumrah at death.
This is considering the fact that both need to take dual responsibility of batting at no 7/8.

Arshdeep vs Mohsin
Mohsin is faster and really had a breakthrough season, but I am not 100% sold on his death bowling skills. Secondly, most of the players suffer from second season blues and that's where we would really see the ceiling of a fast bowler. Considering that in mind, for now, I will rate Arshdeep over Mohsin because he has proven his ability in death and also has upped his pace. However, if Mohsin maintains his form then he will overlap Arshdeep.
Arshdeep is also a better fielder than Mohsin.

Avesh vs Prasidh vs Umran
Ideally for me it's Prasidh vs Umran. One has the ability to generate an awkward bounce at good pace, otherone has raw pace and the impact factor which Indian team lacks. Both are very good bowlers and we can play either of them depending upon the pitch and conditions.
Avesh for me lags behind here because he has little bit of both but he isn't very good in either. His pace is too up and down and he need to put a lot of effort to bowl 140k plus.
Fielding wise all 3 are equally bad with Umran is slightly better than rest.

[Vickydev]

1 hour ago, Majestic said:

Boobie the current version is not at same level as Harshal in middle and death overs. Also, if you have Deepak Chahar, you don't need Boobie. Boobs should come into picture only if Deepak Chahar is unavailable.

 

I would not wanting my new ball bowlers to be Bhuvi and Deepak Chahar and if it is one between these two I pick Deepak Chahar. Pick a Shami or Prasidh(due to height and bounce) alongwith Deepak Chahar with the new ball.

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[Suhaan]

Australia -no Chahar, only Prasidh

Chahar will find nothing there,

Avesh is just ok

Harshal may have chance in some games

Arshdeep is no different ,it's just assembling same kind of bowlers

 

[Suhaan]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Harshal's utility is far less as he can't bowl with new ball.  He is no Bumrah/Archer at the death either.   He is good in middle overs phase as a container but that too condition specific.

Likes of Boobie has more upside than him I think with new ball & equal ability at death 

Dip is something,which can neutralised by innovation and constant observation

There is a fraction of novelty which comes with his bowling,I really doubt him more so in truest of pitches like we have in Australia

 

Bowling in t20s is little about innovation more about traditional approach whereas in batting it is opposite You need to strike hard to bring down your opposition,but still he can play given we don't play him with guys like Chahar Boobie,Arshdeep together

Edited June 12, 2022 by Suhaan

[MechEng]

We need one left arm seamer definitely, so I'll pick Arshdeep surely. I think even Lucknow had a fiery left arm seamer who clocked 150 kph, he will make a great addition too.

[MechEng]

Umran Malik on a good day is pre back injury Waqar Younis. And on a bad day he is basically a fast version of Vinay Kumar getting tonked.

[Adamant]

Umran

Chahar

Mohsin (left arm variety) 

Harshal

 

These 4 should be on the plane to Aus. 

 

Pick Chahar only when there's some movement in the air or swing on offer, 

 

Umran is a must  and Harshal also deserves a place. 

[Norman]

Prasidh Krishna and Avesh Khan should never play a T20i for India. So should Siraj. Keep them for only Tests and ODIs. 

 

We have enough options now for 20 over cricket so no need to go back to the same old ghissi pitti Bhuvi and Shamis. 

 

Bumrah

Umran Malik

Deepak Chahar

Arshdeep Singh

T Natarajan

Mohsin Khan

Harshal Patel

Wild card (Tyagi/Mukesh/Kuldeep sen) 

 

Enough options to work with.