UK ‘will be seen as racist’ if Tories reject Rishi Sunak

[ravishingravi]

1 hour ago, Ranvir said:

The funny thing is that the Conservative parties in the UK and USA have given more opportunities to Indian origin politicians like Rishi Sunak, Priti Patel, Suella Braverman, Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley. 

Yesterday in Parliament there were many more people of colour on the front bench of the Conservatives compared to Labour. 

Actually it’s not unusual. Conservatives are about conserving and Santana Dharma is not about challenging or supremacy. We are usually easy to get along, don’t mandate and are successful. We contribute meaningfully and are inclusive. 

[mishra]

4 hours ago, Under_Score said:

Respect to Rishi Sunak for his achievement  

Aren't Conservatives traditionally anti-Immigration in England?  That's how it is in Canada, in 2011 when Conservatives formed a majority Govt.....they put full on disc brakes on immigration, I know some people who had to wait for quite a long time for their files to get processed. After Trudeau won in 2015...he did the complete opposite.....it was like..... flood gates opened, now he is facing flak for that  

Immigration broadly fall in 2 categories. Illegal and legal.

 

Category 1: Legal ones are

Refugees, Immigrants who come as student or professionals.

 

Category 2: Illegal ones are

Asylum seekers(borderline as human rights and lawyer generally cook up a case for these people) or migrants entering West for sake of good life via say sham marriage or in a boat/car/lorry.

 

The way I see it, Conservatives, Republicans or right wing of any country is more welcoming to category 1 and will rub shoulders with them (that is what you saw in British parliament in past few years under Tories) but vehemently against category 2. And for this opposition of Category 2 (whether category 2 is white or non white) they are branded as Racist.

 

While left wing treats both Category 1 and Category 2 as same and hence People in both categories are unequal to them  and they cant rub shoulders with them. I feel somewhere they want to support the businesses with unskilled labour so that endemic among local population living on dole doesnt gets highlighted and they can continue whining that their arent enough jobs for unskilled native/local population.

 

Make Your call as to who is actually racist

 

 

 

[ravishingravi]

23 minutes ago, Clarke said:

 

Why not, Sunak needs to win over the right wing (and he's wasn't the hot favorite earlier) who have been strongly pro Brexit & anti-immigration. I don't see much wrong in being anti-immigration from policy point of view, basically take your pick on who you wanna let in from cost-benefit analysis.

 

I guess one could call her suar-ella as well if she really supports colonialism even from the historical perspective.

Honestly this move makes it even clear what Sunak things he needs to do. My guess is he will take some very hard positions. Especially Immigration and China. Possible trade. 

[kepler37b]

1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

Actually it’s not unusual. Conservatives are about conserving and Santana Dharma is not about challenging or supremacy. We are usually easy to get along, don’t mandate and are successful. We contribute meaningfully and are inclusive. 

Yeah,

 

Our lack of unity and common interest is our benefit in it's unique way. It is like the divine script written by Deva's.

[LordPrabhzy]

13 hours ago, Ranvir said:

No one beats Piyush 'Bobby' Jindal in this regard. 

 

Indians in US have two choices esp in Politics;

 

- Either stay true to your native religion and just about make it to a House of Rep congressman ( at a push MAYBE Senator but that's unlikely- right now MOST senators are white Christians with a sprinkle of black, Latinos and east Asians who are all Christians too; No South Asian senator)

or

- Publicly 'convert' to Christianity just like Jindal, Obama, Haley, Andrew Yang etc etc if you have any POTUS ambitions otherwise you wont even make it to the final round of the Primaries.

 

Atleast in this regard we can have a London Mayor who is Muslim who can practice is beliefs openly, we can have a Hindu Prime Minister who can practice his faith openly.. so we are better than the US in that regard

[BacktoCricaddict]

6 hours ago, mishra said:

Immigration broadly fall in 2 categories. Illegal and legal.

 

Category 1: Legal ones are

Refugees, Immigrants who come as student or professionals.

 

Category 2: Illegal ones are

Asylum seekers(borderline as human rights and lawyer generally cook up a case for these people) or migrants entering West for sake of good life via say sham marriage or in a boat/car/lorry.

 

The way I see it, Conservatives, Republicans or right wing of any country is more welcoming to category 1 and will rub shoulders with them (that is what you saw in British parliament in past few years under Tories) but vehemently against category 2. And for this opposition of Category 2 (whether category 2 is white or non white) they are branded as Racist.

 

While left wing treats both Category 1 and Category 2 as same and hence People in both categories are unequal to them  and they cant rub shoulders with them. I feel somewhere they want to support the businesses with unskilled labour so that endemic among local population living on dole doesnt gets highlighted and they can continue whining that their arent enough jobs for unskilled native/local population.

 

Make Your call as to who is actually racist

 

 

 

Are asylum seekers illegal? 

 

[Mariyam]

Meanwhile

 

the leader of the western world addressed the PM of the UK as 'Rashid Sanook'

 

With allies like these......

[Tattieboy]

58 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Are asylum seekers illegal? 

 

No but to him they are 

85% of asylum seekers processed have passed UK government criteria for asylum . 

[Ranvir]

47 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Meanwhile

 

the leader of the western world addressed the PM of the UK as 'Rashid Sanook'

 

With allies like these......

It's more Rashi than Rashid but what do you expect for dirty old Joe. He's even worse than Bush when it comes to gaffes. 

[Ranvir]

4 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

Indians in US have two choices esp in Politics;

 

- Either stay true to your native religion and just about make it to a House of Rep congressman ( at a push MAYBE Senator but that's unlikely- right now MOST senators are white Christians with a sprinkle of black, Latinos and east Asians who are all Christians too; No South Asian senator)

or

- Publicly 'convert' to Christianity just like Jindal, Obama, Haley, Andrew Yang etc etc if you have any POTUS ambitions otherwise you wont even make it to the final round of the Primaries.

 

Atleast in this regard we can have a London Mayor who is Muslim who can practice is beliefs openly, we can have a Hindu Prime Minister who can practice his faith openly.. so we are better than the US in that regard

 

The difference is that most Native Brits are irreligious. Americans in comparison are more religious especially in the deep south where Jindal and Haley became governess.

 

If the UK was even a semi moderately religious country like Poland or Italy then you would have to become Christian to become Prime Minister. 

 

Having said that, even Tony Blair had to wait until he left office to convert to Catholicism. 

[LordPrabhzy]

15 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

 

The difference is that most Native Brits are irreligious. Americans in comparison are more religious especially in the deep south where Jindal and Haley became governess.

 

If the UK was even a semi moderately religious country like Poland or Italy then you would have to become Christian to become Prime Minister. 

 

Having said that, even Tony Blair had to wait until he left office to convert to Catholicism. 

 

As per 2019 UK estimate 60% of Eng/Wales population identify themselves as Christian- bound to be slightly lower when the 2021 census is released in a couple of weeks but still a significant amount for a population of 65 Million. By contrast its 70% in the USA as per 2020 Census

[gattaca]

5 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

Indians in US have two choices esp in Politics;

 

- Either stay true to your native religion and just about make it to a House of Rep congressman ( at a push MAYBE Senator but that's unlikely- right now MOST senators are white Christians with a sprinkle of black, Latinos and east Asians who are all Christians too; No South Asian senator)

or

- Publicly 'convert' to Christianity just like Jindal, Obama, Haley, Andrew Yang etc etc if you have any POTUS ambitions otherwise you wont even make it to the final round of the Primaries.

 

Atleast in this regard we can have a London Mayor who is Muslim who can practice is beliefs openly, we can have a Hindu Prime Minister who can practice his faith openly.. so we are better than the US in that regard

This is changing fast there are pockets of places where there is good Indian population. Illinois and California has good number of Indian or Indian origin politicians who are Hindus. South is tough mostly Bible Belt but again Texas Indian population is exploding. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by gattaca

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, gattaca said:

This is changing fast there are pockets of places where there is good Indian population. Illinois and California has good number of Indian or Indian origin politicians who are Hindus. South is tough mostly Bible Belt but again Texas Indian population is exploding. 

 

British Indian presence pre-dates Indian-American presence by multiple decades, if not centuries.  Indian culture has been part of the British consciousness for so much longer than in America.  Although POIs have trickled into the US since the 1960s, it is only recently with the IT-boom of the 21st century that their numbers reached noticeable numbers.  So, it is no surprise that, it is only now that POIs are making significant political noise.  Other racial/ethnic groups - Latinos, Italians, even Chinese have been around in high numbers for much longer. 

 

What is appalling in the United States is the lack of slave-descendants in the corridors of national politics.  Other than BHO (whose ancestors were not enslaved in America) and Kamala Harris (whose father is Jamaican), none has sniffed significant national power.  They have been a significant part of modern American history for 400 years; this nation was built on the backs of slave-laborers, so it is very disappointing that they have not risen more. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by BacktoCricaddict

[Ranvir]

2 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

As per 2019 UK estimate 60% of Eng/Wales population identify themselves as Christian- bound to be slightly lower when the 2021 census is released in a couple of weeks but still a significant amount for a population of 65 Million. By contrast its 70% in the USA as per 2020 Census

Yes but in the deep South where Haley and Jindal were governers the numbers are higher and they actual go to church on Sundays not just ticking a box in a census. Jindal and Haley had no other choice. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

Heard somewhere today:  There's Rich ... and then there's Rishi Rich

(at least some of us oldies will get this from our comic book reading days)

[Tattieboy]

2 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

As per 2019 UK estimate 60% of Eng/Wales population identify themselves as Christian- bound to be slightly lower when the 2021 census is released in a couple of weeks but still a significant amount for a population of 65 Million. By contrast its 70% in the USA as per 2020 Census

What they identify as and what they are can be seen as  two different things . 

White British public say they are Christian when it suits them but reality shows they are not . ....this is a white christian country they say but they couldn't find a church with sat nav and couldn't tell you one line of the Bible .

Christianity has been in a huge decline since the 1970s , the only person I know who goes to church and that is my mother . 

 

[LordPrabhzy]

5 hours ago, Ranvir said:

Yes but in the deep South where Haley and Jindal were governers the numbers are higher and they actual go to church on Sundays not just ticking a box in a census. Jindal and Haley had no other choice. 

 

I know this... my point is US. a country which fames itself for being diverse and the american dream etc etc BS, a person does not have a right to practice their own religion while trying to run for senior government positions. And that was my earlier point- dont call yourself secular diverse and all that crap if people truly dont have all the freedoms

[coffee_rules]

10 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Are asylum seekers illegal? 

 

There is a trend in Pakistanis learning Spanish and going to S’Pore and get a Visa to Venezuela . And later go to US as asylum seekers claiming suppression in Venezuela. I have met a Punjabi Hindu family in NJ who came to US as asylum seekers through a Visa to Uganda claiming they can’t go back to India because of Sikh riots. They are bloody Hindus. all you need is a good immigration lawyer. There may be genuine asylum seekers from Rwanda or Congo or Chad, but a lot of them come from fakery too. There are no laws to suppress such asylum seekers. 

Edited October 28, 2022 by coffee_rules

[Ranvir]

7 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

I know this... my point is US. a country which fames itself for being diverse and the american dream etc etc BS, a person does not have a right to practice their own religion while trying to run for senior government positions. And that was my earlier point- dont call yourself secular diverse and all that crap if people truly dont have all the freedoms

This is true for most countries. India claims that it is a secular democracy but you can bet your bottom dollar that a muslim will never become Prime Minister there. Again this is the same line that Pakistanis use against India despite them treating minorities far worse.

 

And it's the people who vote, you cannot force Billy Bob in South Carolina to be a secular liberal person, even the most liberal people have their limits when it comes to who rules over them and to be honest its simply human nature. 

[LordPrabhzy]

43 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

This is true for most countries. India claims that it is a secular democracy but you can bet your bottom dollar that a muslim will never become Prime Minister there. Again this is the same line that Pakistanis use against India despite them treating minorities far worse.

 

And it's the people who vote, you cannot force Billy Bob in South Carolina to be a secular liberal person, even the most liberal people have their limits when it comes to who rules over them and to be honest its simply human nature. 

 

But minorities and Dalits have been made President of India... which other country can claim to have representation of ethnic minorities to that extent?  The reason why a muslim never become a PM is not solely because of their religious background- people vote for a party and the vast majority of people in India believe that opposition parties are working against their religious and national interests so even if a Muslim PM candidate was projected from those parties, those PARTIES wont win the majority vote therefore a PM cannot be made. If things were different in India and there was mutual respect for Sanatan Dharam and the concept of Indian nationalism from all then this situation would not have arisen- Hindus have given shelter to many people from around the world in our history and given them shelter so we are not inherently 'racist' people/