Spin and fielding was the real difference!

[Nikhil_cric]

While the Pakistani pace attack was unquestionably faster and bouncier than India's, they weren't exactly better overall as our quicks were more impactful with the exception  of Naseem. 

 

However, the difference in quality of spin bowling was shockingly wide. Shadab and Nawaz looked much more threatening and controlling than their Indian counterparts. 

 

Pakistani spinners = 3/52 with an economy of 6.78

Indian spinners = 0/43 with an economy of 7.16

 

In the field too, I thought the Pakisyanis mostly fielded superbly while the likes of Chahal and Rohit were slow and ponderous. 

 

 

 

[Clarke]

I thought Jadeja was all right & should have completed his 4 especially against right handers. His odd delivery got grip & bounce from the wicket. Chahal as usual tried his ipl lollypops outside off and gave runs on a helpful wicket. 

[Lone Wolf]

Agreed Pakistani spin attack completely outbowled us or say Chahal.  Jaddu managed to find turn & gave only 11 runs in couple of overs.  Chahal's lollypops were horrible...  That loopy wider one to Chachu Ifti was such a tulla ball that even a roadside batsman could smoke that.  Shadab bowled with amazing control with his googlies.   

 

Overall the margins were very fine in last game...  And probably the Chasing advantage in the end prevailed....  That being said we need another left hander in middle order to take on spinners.  Push SKY to open & drop Kela. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Someone needs to take down shadab, jadeja was able to hit nawaz but not shadab 

Need pant 

[rkt.india]

31 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Agreed Pakistani spin attack completely outbowled us or say Chahal.  Jaddu managed to find turn & gave only 11 runs in couple of overs.  Chahal's lollypops were horrible...  That loopy wider one to Chachu Ifti was such a tulla ball that even a roadside batsman could smoke that.  Shadab bowled with amazing control with his googlies.   

 

Overall the margins were very fine in last game...  And probably the Chasing advantage in the end prevailed....  That being said we need another left hander in middle order to take on spinners.  Push SKY to open & drop Kela. 

Shadab bowled flat and fast like a finger spinner. Chahal is a wrist spinner.

[rkt.india]

13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Someone needs to take down shadab, jadeja was able to hit nawaz but not shadab 

Need pant 

Shadab is bowling flatter, not like he bowled in CT 2017. He has an odd spinner's action but bowls leg spin.

[Bigg Brother]

Chahal was atrocious...Bishnoi should be played over him.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Shadab is bowling flatter, not like he bowled in CT 2017. He has an odd spinner's action but bowls leg spin.

So ??? Take him down ka matalb step down karna nhin attack karna hai 

He has massively improved now which is why he is such an asset now  . Thats his job to bowl well and our batsman job is to counter it.......u cant let him get away with eco under 5. 

Someone has to attack him as others bowlers are also having matchup against our batsman . Pant- SKY are good against leggies so its their job , they both have had their share of problem against SLA so it becomes more important for them to counter Shadab 

Edited August 29, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Shadab bowled flat and fast like a finger spinner. Chahal is a wrist spinner.

I saw him bowl a few googlies & a genuine top spinner...  His trajectory isn't loopy but that's how modern day T20 works. 

Chahal barely even tried bowling googlies...  He was just throwing it wide or attacking legs. 

[Nikhil_cric]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Someone needs to take down shadab, jadeja was able to hit nawaz but not shadab 

Need pant 

Shadab has bowled very well in all t20 cricket in recent years. Was excellent in the last world t20 and was the pick of the spinners in the last PSL. Maybe Pant should come in to take him down and put the pressure back on him. 

 

We can't afford to let Pakistan control the middle overs with Shadab's parsimonious overs.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Shadab has bowled very well in all t20 cricket in recent years. Was excellent in the last world t20 and was the pick of the spinners in the last PSL. Maybe Pant should come in to take him down and put the pressure back on him. 

 

We can't afford to let Pakistan control the middle overs with Shadab's parsimonious overs.

Yea he has improved massively as compare to early when he was mostly a googly reliant bowler. 

 

[Lord]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Someone needs to take down shadab, jadeja was able to hit nawaz but not shadab 

Need pant 

 

Pant is best bet but ironically he gets out mostly to spin due to over attacking

[Number]

9 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Pant is best bet but ironically he gets out mostly to spin due to over attacking

 

Earlier it was like once he hit one ball, he didn't know how to stop himself next ball. But I see he is improving in this regard, from his 100 in England final ODI.

[vvvslaxman]

Shadab/Nawaz were not exactly bowling to Sehwag/Ganguly/Tendulkar.  These kind of bowlers would have been decimated.  Sadly our current lot of batsmen look clueless. The way Rohit lunged like Dhoni and almost got stumped was pathetic.  You would have rarely seen Indian specialist batsmen struggling against spin as much as the current lot.

[vvvslaxman]

16 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Someone needs to take down shadab, jadeja was able to hit nawaz but not shadab 

Need pant 

With good head position left handers should be able to take him on.  I am sure some of our domestic batsmen would thrash these bowlers better than these guys. Didn't Patidar thrash Bishnoi for 27 runs in one over.

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Once again, folks are going after our pacers. But pacers were better than Pakistani pacers despite being slower . They could have cut down on the wides probably but it's not an easy pitch to bowl seam .

 

We are losing it in the spin department.  On that pitch, the spinners had to win it for us.  Nawaz and Shadab were very good again. We lost momentum when they came on. 

 

Bishnoi was decent but Chahal getting smacked by Nawaz swung the momentum.

[VT87]

No there pacers are far better than us .all quicks are bowling at high 140’s and even Rauf was bowling constantly at 150 kph.that was our top 3 who stood against those quicks ,batting against at that pace is not easy as looks like.

[Nikhil_cric]

8 minutes ago, VT87 said:

No there pacers are far better than us .all quicks are bowling at high 140’s and even Rauf was bowling constantly at 150 kph.that was our top 3 who stood against those quicks ,batting against at that pace is not easy as looks like.

They may well be better but in the end, the analysis at the end of both games , it shows that our seamers have actually performed better than theirs. 

 

If their seamdrs are indeed better, then their spinners are miles better than ours. 

[vvvslaxman]

15 minutes ago, VT87 said:

No there pacers are far better than us .all quicks are bowling at high 140’s and even Rauf was bowling constantly at 150 kph.that was our top 3 who stood against those quicks ,batting against at that pace is not easy as looks like.

 

Couple of their guys are successful in other franchise cricket. They are used to these end over roles. india had none.

[Ankit_sharma03]

many things went wrong today 

 

• Pant vs Nawaz (pant was send out to do same job as Nawaz)
  pant made 14 in 12
  Nawaz 42 in 20 
• Hooda was bought in team but was made to bat at a wrong position and they didnt even bowl . Chalo his bowling isnt great but he batted at DK position
  Hooda runs in IPL has come at 3-4 , death batting is a specialist job
• we kept on loosing wkts in middle over they didnt
• Our middle overs bowlers chahal and pandya failed 
• Pandya- bhuvi has been performing so they can have bad games but chahal now has been having many bad games
• No tail 
• Bhuvi over was very bad
• Arshdeep dropped catch

One more thing that pakistani team has its a great mix of right-left hander which is a must but we are unfortunate in that regd that our all lefties are struggling in t20 in their own way