MICHAEL VAUGHAN: India are the most under-performing team in white-ball history

[Stuge]

Absolutely correct 

[Sooda]

He is wrong about the 5 bowlers point though... thankfully we have learnt from bad experience to go with 6... not that it felt like that with Axar and Ashwin

[Suhaan]

25 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

This is a horrible and embarrassing interview by Gavaskar.

 

Looks distinctly uncomfortable with these hard questions and sucking up to the existing players with full commitment. A player of his stature looks really bad doing this. 

 

He is totally against taking any steps to improve things in T20Is. 

 

 

36 run banane vala after carrying his bat,one of a kind legend commentating on t20WC

[Frustrated]

Gavaskar is the most disgusting ex cricketer ever.   Absolutely disgraceful to hv his views on the team.  Talks trash always. Never criticises the senior players even when it is apparent that they are hopelessly past their prime. 

[SRT100]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Vaughn is an assh0le and a troll. He has come up with lots of dubious statements in the past.

 

BUT what he says here is Very Very True. 

 

We need more such brutally honest statements from big names.

 

I thought for a second we were about to disagree on something, first time ever.

 

I read your entire post, yes youre right, he is brutally honest.

 

I love him he nails the issues about Indian Cricket so perfectly. So much so, if I was at the BCCI, I would appoint him in charge to oversee selection policy and tactical plans.

[nevada]

India is NOT an underperforming team! It has performed exactly up to its potential. Ever since Dhoni polluted the minds of the cricketers with "process", India has been strictly a template following team. Tuk tuk top order, trundler bowlers who can fool you when conditions are in their favour, a captain who is totally averse to any risk taking or out of the box tactics, a coach who is essentially a rubber stamp and a mouth-piece for the captain - these all are part of the template.

We play low risk, percentage cricket and in case the chips fall in our favour, we win. If we don't win, there's always a useless bilateral to beat up our favorite whipping boys and improve the mood. To win big games and big moments in these big games, you need to be bold and take the attack to the opposition. Our team is the anti-thesis of that. In yesterday's game, couldn't our batsmen start attacking when there were six overs left instead of three? But they started only when just 3 were left, which is again the benchmark set by the venerable, take it deep Thala. This team aims for a semi final spot only, with anything beyond strictly a bonus. Our selectors, captain, coach and team have operated with this mindset only. Winning the cup is NOT their aim! 

[nevada]

39 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Gavaskar is the most disgusting ex cricketer ever.   Absolutely disgraceful to hv his views on the team.  Talks trash always. Never criticises the senior players even when it is apparent that they are hopelessly past their prime. 

Who knows what level of quid pro-quo is involved. All these guys are part of the same club and us spectators aren't part of it. 

[Prabhdeep Singh]

Most number of ICC Finals lost in white ball history:

 

England has lost 6 ICC Finals

India has lost 4 ICC Finals (Excluding WTC Final)

NZ has lost 4 ICC Finals

SL has lost 4 ICC Finals

WI has lost 3 ICC Finals

Australia has lost 3 ICC Finals

Pakistan has lost 2 ICC Finals

Edited November 11, 2022 by Prabhdeep Singh

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Sgattick10 said:

What an apt analysis bravo Vaughn. 

Now just look at the comments if this senile old man.. Yesterday he was saying some people may retire and today complete u turn got money from superstars I guess 

 

Can't blame poor fellow, he is on BCCI payroll and must have gotten strict instructions on not to say anything which hurt player's or BCCI's morale and reputation.
All this was started by Dhoni-Srinivasan era...when they fired Mohinder Amarnath from selection committe because he wanted to drop him after 0-8 loss.
Now after 10 years, everyone who's on BCCI payroll is under pressure from speaking up.

Sporta Yaari raised this point yesterday that why our ex players are not openly calling out the gaps in the team. Everyone is just scared and trying to pass it as one off incident.
While entire cricbuzz was doing joke on Buttler/Hales batting ability and Virat Kohli's aggression on the field.

[Sgattick10]

Lol people thot this is real Rohit Sharma and bashing him in the comments 

 

 

[Sean Bradley]

5 hours ago, sage said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/11/10/india-under-performing-team-white-ball-history/

 

India are the most under-performing white-ball team in history. Every player in the world who goes to the Indian Premier League says how it improves their game but what have India ever delivered?

Since winning the 50 over World Cup on home soil in 2011 what have they done? Nothing. India are playing a white-ball game that is dated and have done for years.

How they have not maximised someone like Rishabh Pant is incredible. In this era, put him up the top to launch it. How have they only got five bowling options when you think 10 or 15 years ago all of India’s top six could bowl a little bit – Sachin Tendulkar, Suresh Raina, Virender Sehwag and even Sourav Ganguly? None of the batsmen bowl so the captain has only got five options.

I’m just staggered by how they play T20 cricket for the talent they have. They have the players, but just do not have the right process in place. They have to go for it. Why do they give the opposition bowlers the first five overs to bed in?

We know in T20 cricket the stats tell you a team needs a spinner who can turn it both ways. India have plenty of leg-spinners. Where are they?

They have a left-armer in Arshdeep Singh who swings it back into the right-handers. So what do they do defending 168? They put on Bhuvneshwar Kumar bowling outswing to give Jos Buttler and Alex Hales width. Where is the left-arm seamer swinging it in to Buttler and Hales in the first over? Madness. Cramp them for room. Do not give them a chance to get off to a flyer in the first over and settle nerves. 

It is fantastic what India brings to cricket with the IPL and their fans. To see 88,000 at the MCG for a dead rubber against Zimbabwe was marvellous for the game. They are so important for world cricket but for all the advantages India have, they must win more.

 

Even in their own backyard at the 2016 World T20 they did not reach the final. They were nowhere last year. This time it took an outrageous innings by Virat Kohli, probably the best in T20 of all time, to beat Pakistan in the group stages. They massively underachieve for their skill levels.

It was a wise decision to bowl first. I thought it was a big risk because England defend so well but the reason they did it was because Kohli is a brilliant chaser. They played on his mind by setting him the challenge.

India have to be honest now. What happens when India arrive at a World Cup? Everyone plays them up. Nobody wants to criticise them because you get hammered on social media and pundits worry about losing work in India one day. But it is time to tell it straight. They can hide behind their great players but it is about getting a team playing the right way as a whole. Their bowling options are too few, they do not bat deep enough and lack spin tricks.

 

One of the finest assessments of the current scenario. This is exactly why we need a foreign coach and and outsider perspective on the things.

 

Sometimes it's easier for someone viewing from outside to asses what's really going wrong with the system. 

 

A surgeon never performs a surgery on himself. 

Edited November 11, 2022 by Sean Bradley

[sage]

10 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

One of the finest assessments of the current scenario. This is exactly why we need a foreign coach and and outsider perspective on the things.

 

Sometimes it's easier for someone viewing from outside to asses what's really going wrong with the system. 

 

A surgeon never performs a surgery on himself. 

Lots viewing from outside don't criticise India either, which is what Vaughan is talking about. Not sure a BCCI stooge foreign coach will help either

[figo6762]

Too bad the selectors don’t read the telegraph otherwise they will be enlightened by his wisdom …. 
 

if we think the selectors don’t know this , it’s bullshit 

 

lack of accountability and professionalism .. runs in the blood.. 

 

it’s been 24 hrs no bcci official has stepped up with accountability statements for selection . They still think they did a great job and the players didn’t play well ..

 

the players to the max potential , it’s just that they were **** 

Edited November 11, 2022 by figo6762

[Vickydev]

4 hours ago, Sgattick10 said:

What an apt analysis bravo Vaughn. 

Now just look at the comments if this senile old man.. Yesterday he was saying some people may retire and today complete u turn got money from superstars I guess 

 

Wow, it's a smack on the faces of those expecting any accountability. If the senior most expert is towing the line can't expect anyone else calling out for changes. 

 

Man envy how the English and esp Pakistani experts absolutely lambast their non performers. 

[sage]

2 minutes ago, Vickydev said:

Wow, it's a smack on the faces of those expecting any accountability. If the senior most expert is towing the line can't expect anyone else calling out for changes. 

 

Man envy how the English and esp Pakistani experts absolutely lambast their non performers. 

Yeah Morgan basically got bullied out by the press.

[BacktoCricaddict]

4 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

India need a Greg Chappel,

No thank you. 

 

The team needs someone who is tactically strong, can think strategically and install a long-term plan and convince authorities to stick with it, but can also build good rapport with the players and get them to do the needful without being an arse-wipe.  Too much to ask?

[BacktoCricaddict]

2 hours ago, nevada said:

Dhoni polluted the minds of the cricketers with "process"

 

The idea of a "process" is not necessarily wrong, but it has to be a process towards some tangible goal (e.g., next T20WC), and one that is planned and executed correctly.  It is only as good as the individuals creating and executing it. 

[coffee_rules]

Post-2015, England has addressed many of their white-ball woes and they looked to have benefited more from IPL than India. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

Post-2015, England has addressed many of their white-ball woes and they looked to have benefited more from IPL than India. 

... which is why BCCI should designate a group of 30 or so T20 specialists and let them play other leagues so they become all-condition performers, learn from multiple inputs and stay match-fit always.  

[sage]