Messi or Tendulkar

[Bublu Bhuyan]

12 hours ago, Adamant said:

Imran Khan was twice the cricketer Sachin was, so this isn't even a comparison. 

 

Clutch

Statistically great

Great personality 

Impact

 

Sachin does not compare to Imran in any of those fields 

 

Basically Imran is as good a bowler as Sachin is with the bat and then he also bats. 

LOL, twice the cricket and yet goes missing when prestigious All Time XI are composed by credible people. Also finds himself lower everytime a list of greatest cricketers are ever made by credible people.

[dilliboy]

Messi should be compared with Bradman.. both are statistically far ahead of the rest of the competition 

Edited December 20, 2022 by dilliboy

[goose]

It takes a special player when your team mates want to win it for you as much as themselves and both Messi and Tendulkar did that.

[Adamant]

20 hours ago, AuxiliA said:

 

 

Well bat tampering isn't a thing in cricket, so poor Sachin couldn't boost his stats the way IK did lol. 

 

 

There was a series in India in the 80s where Imran played in front of Indian crowd and Indian umpires. 

 

He destroyed the Indian batting lineup in all three tests. 

 

Lets not even go into captaincy aspect where Imran trumps Sachin by a country mile having won a world cup in his last appearance for his team. 

 

Also lets not get into clutch performances in tests. 

[Adamant]

20 hours ago, AuxiliA said:

 

Tendulkar performed better away than he did at home. Plus he was a decent part time bowler himself. Won several matches with the ball. 

 

 

Go and have a look at Imrans away stats before spouting nonsense. 

 

Secondly are you comparing Sachin 's bowling (test avg of 55) to Imrans batting (bat avg 38)?

 

You are either clueless or devout Sachin Bhakta. 

 

If we go by stats there's no comparison and if we go by impact there's again no comparison. 

[Number]

14 minutes ago, Adamant said:

There was a series in India in the 80s where Imran played in front of Indian crowd and Indian umpires. 

 

He destroyed the Indian batting lineup in all three tests. 

 

Which series was this ?

Pakistan toured India in 1979-80 lost the 4 game series 2-0.

Then in 1983 in which Imran didn't tour.

In 1987 he averaged 50 with the ball. 

Edited December 20, 2022 by Number

[raki05]

27 minutes ago, Adamant said:

There was a series in India in the 80s where Imran played in front of Indian crowd and Indian umpires. 

 

He destroyed the Indian batting lineup in all three tests. 

 

Lets not even go into captaincy aspect where Imran trumps Sachin by a country mile having won a world cup in his last appearance for his team. 

 

Also lets not get into clutch performances in tests. 

Ok Manjrekar..... How many series Pakistan won in Sena during his time and how many overseas victories he has. You are talking as if Imran's Pakistani were wi of 70s or Ausies of 2000. Looks like you spend lots of time on pee pee he won just one test out of 5 test match series, you are saying destroyed as if we lost 5-0 or 4-1 that too against India of 1986 which was very avg team we used to lost against mediocre England back than. Don't overhyped his captaincy and as a player still Tendulkar gets in most world XI than your Imrand and Chokli.

[Vijy]

19 minutes ago, Number said:

 

Which series was this ?

Pakistan toured India in 1979-80 lost the 4 game series 2-0.

Then in 1983 in which Imran didn't tour.

In 1987 he averaged 50 with the ball. 

he probably means the 1989 series where we toured Pak and Sanju Manju of all people smashed the so-called ATG Pak attack with imran, wacky waqar, wasim, and qadir.

[Number]

8 hours ago, Bublu Bhuyan said:

LOL, twice the cricket and yet goes missing when prestigious All Time XI are composed by credible people. Also finds himself lower everytime a list of greatest cricketers are ever made by credible people.

 

And that's a no brainer really. Imran was a great bowler but he won't make it to the list of top 20 bowlers of all time. As for batting he is Jadeja's level's batsman in tests. Definitely a great utility for his team but to make it to such XIs you must be someone who shook the world with his primary skill. 

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

There was a series in India in the 80s where Imran played in front of Indian crowd and Indian umpires. 

 

He destroyed the Indian batting lineup in all three tests. 

 

Lets not even go into captaincy aspect where Imran trumps Sachin by a country mile having won a world cup in his last appearance for his team. 

 

Also lets not get into clutch performances in tests. 

oh yes, I remember that series. it happened in earth 234567 in the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics posited by hugh everett.

 

P.S. If you were trying to say that tendu is not the GOAT, a more apt comparison would be comparing tendu with stewie (steven smith) since they are both batters. stewie is a better bat, better fielder, better captain (despite the cheating), albeit lesser part-time bowler.

Edited December 20, 2022 by Vijy

[Vijy]

8 hours ago, Number said:

 

And that's a no brainer really. Imran was a great bowler but he won't make it to the list of top 20 bowlers of all time. As for batting he is Jadeja's level's batsman in tests. Definitely a great utility for his team but to make it to such XIs you must be someone who shook the world with his primary skill. 

garry sobers, ketih miller, mike procter (who didn't get enough tests, but racked up better numbers in eng domestics playing alongside imran) are all better ARs than imran to name a few. kallis was also better than imran, although he underachieved as bowler. aubrey faulkner may have also been more impactful with bat & ball. botham has lesser stats but was more of an impact player, especially during 1st half of career when he was in beast mode

 

right now, jaddu's record is looking quite close to imran. I regard jaddu as an indian ATG but not world ATG

Edited December 20, 2022 by Vijy

[Vijy]

12 hours ago, Vijy said:

Messi is much greater than SRT. SRT is perhaps (and there will be many who dispute this) Ind's greatest ever cricketer, but Messi is one of top 3-4 of all time. Tendu is not in that category.

 

however, the OP's post is not about tendu vs messi - it's about their last WCs. I think Messi's contribution was far more immense, although Tendu did play a great role in his own swansong WC

folks, the OP's question was about messi vs tendu. we should move on from the narrative of imran vs tendu; kohli vs tendu; babar vs tendu; random pak player vs tendu.

[AuxiliA]

26 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Go and have a look at Imrans away stats before spouting nonsense. 

 

Secondly are you comparing Sachin 's bowling (test avg of 55) to Imrans batting (bat avg 38)?

 

You are either clueless or devout Sachin Bhakta. 

 

If we go by stats there's no comparison and if we go by impact there's again no comparison. 

 

Looks like you are an even bigger fan girl of the Ball tamperer than that of Kohli lol. 

 

Tendulkar has twice the career of IK in terms of records and stats. Was better batter across formats than all his great contemporaries, something which IK can never claim to be among bowlers. 

 

Sachin makes almost everybody's list of top 5 batsmen of all time in both test and ODI. IK wouldn't even make the top 20 ODI bowlers list. Hell most won't pick him in the top 5 test bowlers list. Half of his legacy is based around a fluke WC win thanks to rain.

 

Also speaking of away record, IK(25.76) while being really good is not anywhere near GOAT level. Bumrah already has 60 percent of his away wickets at a much better (21.x) average. Most great players (like Tendulkar) have better away stats than home stats.

 

But credit where it's due, IK does have the best home bowling average of all time(19.2)! Massive respect to him and Shakoor Rana & the bottle caps. 

 

 

 

[mishra]

Throughout the match, all I could see was Mbappe vs Argentina allmost Similar to 10dulkar vs SriLanka or Autralia or Pakistan. 

[Number]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

 

right now, jaddu's record is looking quite close to imran. I regard jaddu as an indian ATG but not world ATG

Yeah Jaddu will find it hard to get into Indian All time XI, let alone world XI.

[AKane]

There is this Messi is a "God" theme.. Here is how it is perpetuated.

 

See......Copa America is played every 4 years.....

 

For ex after 2007 they played 2011 then they played 2015

 

Since 2015 they played 4 Copa Americas in 6 years - 2015, 2016, 2019, 2021 so that this entitled "God" can win at least 1.

 

2007 - Brazil

2011 - Uruguay

2015 - Chile

2016 - Chile

2019 - Brazil

2021 - finally........ Argentina.

 

Then came the 5 penalties in this WC....

 

And you all are comparing him with Sachin..... please.

Edited December 20, 2022 by AKane

[adi B]

Off course Tendulkar for us Indians ,Why would I give any fecks for Messi, who I have no connections with nor do we play that sports at the highest level?

But talking generally, Messi without a doubt, one of GOATs in any sport 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Here Imran’s own contemporary David Gower rating the top 50 Test cricketers of all time. Sachin at 3, Imran at 11 - 

 

LMAO, twice the cricketer.

 

[raki05]

16 hours ago, dilliboy said:

Messi should be compared with Bradman.. both are statistically far ahead of the rest of the competition 

Messi in not far ahead statistically from CR7 they are neck to neck on many stats.Not a fan of CR7 but your claim is wrong.

[SM2907]

A third name could be Joginder Sharma