Breaking : Aussies attempt to use post match Nagpur pitch for practice - ground staff pour water over the pitch.

[Vickydev]

If they indeed allowed them that extra practice and reneged then that doesn't sound good. I just assume it may have been lost in communication somewhere

[zen]

23 minutes ago, gattaca said:

What doctored pitch are you talking about ? We scored 400. Australia struggled to cross 200 and 100 in both innings. When we tour we get green pitches in England , South Africa and NZ. Bouncy pitches in Australia. Where were your arguments at that time ? 

Such non sense only works among “fellow like minded Indians”, who pat each others back (as no one else will) to justify their cheating behaviour. 
 

As for pitches in Aus, out there venues support different type of cricket: pace at Perth & Brisbane, spin at Sydney (yes, spin in Sydney), etc. They do not “doctor” pitches. 
 

 

Edited February 13, 2023 by zen

[gattaca]

53 minutes ago, zen said:

Such non sense only works among “fellow like minded Indians”, who pat each others back (as no one else will) to justify their cheating behaviour. 
 

As for pitches in Aus, out there venues support different type of cricket: pace at Perth & Brisbane, spin at Sydney (yes, spin in Sydney), etc. They do not “doctor” pitches. 
 

 

If you can open other views then be person with condescending views other will be more open to discussion. Not everything in west is the best. 
Below is the Perth pitch where we were rolled a green pitch in 2018. Playing spin requires skill unless you again think only bounce and swing are skills. India always had a history of spinning pitches. If foreign team can’t upskill they have to blame themselves. Australian team players played IPL for almost decade and still can’t play spin. So much for being good at sports.

 

 

 

Edited February 13, 2023 by gattaca

[wanted_desi]

Why do all these visiting team cry so much? It is one of the reasons they lose so badly. Sore Losers! 

[rollingstoned]

1 hour ago, zen said:

Supporting spin is fine but India has a history of producing rank turners (which is not remotely close to sporting cricket). For e.g. after India lost the series to Aus at home in 2004/5, it turned Mumbai into a rank turner in a desperate attempt to win a test in the series - Link

Rank turners are prepared by leaving the pitch unprepared or selective preparation. 

 

A match i remember well. This was what actually happened back then.

Mumbai pitch was Ponting's fault: curator

[zen]

52 minutes ago, gattaca said:

If you can open other views then be person with condescending views other will be more open to discussion. Not everything in west is the best. 
Below is the Perth pitch where we were rolled a green pitch in 2018. Playing spin requires skill unless you again think only bounce and swing are skills. India always had a history of spinning pitches. If foreign team can’t upskill they have to blame themselves. Australian team players played IPL for almost decade and still can’t play spin. So much for being good at sports.

 

 

First of all, there is no equivalence to a green pitch. On a green pitch, a batsman can come forward or backward depending upon the length of the ball. Swing (where the ball moves in air) is not dependent on pitch (In a pink ball test, the ball can move more under the lights). On a rank turner, it is relatively difficult to be either on front foot or the back foot (additionally, there can be uneven bounce). 

 

There is a difference b/w a track that supports spin and rank turners, which are prepared by leaving the track unprepared or using selective preparation (doctoring). 

 

There is also a difference b/w test and T20s. IPL has all types of pitches. Rank turners are rare apart from places such as Chennai, which is not rated that high for its pitch. 

 

 

 

Edited February 13, 2023 by zen

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

What are the protocols here ?- Are teams allowed to practice on same pitches when the day/match is over.

Can teams practice on the same pitches ?

 

if yes then Aus team should be allowed to practice if no then whats the fuzz, also whats the protocols for ground staff ?? Are they required to water the pitch after the match is over then why the Fuzz ?? 

 

Aus team might have asked the board but Ground staff may not be aware of this, was the news relayed to the ground staff ?

 

There are so many ifs here why Aus Media are grilling Ground staff over this ??

 

nobody knows the full details, and are ready to buy the narrative of "fox sports" a garbage organization known to not care about truth or facts when it comes to clickbaiting and one-eyed "reporting".

[Number]

Are people really that naive to think we can't do it purposely despite our track record of taking things to extreme ?

We gave Australian team green tops before 2016-17 for practice matches ffs.

[Nikhil_cric]

Poor if true and the VCA staff had agreed to let them practise 

[Nikhil_cric]

12 minutes ago, Number said:

Are people really that naive to think we can't do it purposely despite our track record of taking things to extreme ?

We gave Australian team green tops before 2016-17 for practice matches ffs.

How many tour matches were there?  Australia scored 469/7 in a practice match at the CCI stadium. Hardly a green track. 

[sandeep]

3 hours ago, zen said:

Aus is a champion sports country - rugby, hockey, cricket, football, ..., ..., ... 

 

Everything India does including doctoring pitches, preventing practise, etc., only confirms what I have been saying since a long time - it is a country that does not even understand sports! 

 

[R!TTER]

1 hour ago, Number said:

Are people really that naive to think we can't do it purposely despite our track record of taking things to extreme ?

We gave Australian team green tops before 2016-17 for practice matches ffs.

Stop exaggerating, those weren't greentops! They were good batting wickets, grass in India usually means the soil is bound for longer & pitch will not disintegrate! If you really want green tops here you would need to play near the peak of winter up north or just after monsoons again in places where temps can drop rapidly! The stupid *s i.e. Oz fans on BF or reddit are clueless as to how green tops in India South Asia work! I was saying the same in case of Bangla second test, grass is there just to bind the surfaces.

Edited February 13, 2023 by R!TTER

[nikrulz]

3 hours ago, gattaca said:

What doctored pitch are you talking about ? We scored 400. Australia struggled to cross 200 and 100 in both innings. When we tour we get green pitches in England , South Africa and NZ. Bouncy pitches in Australia. Where were your arguments at that time ? 

Don't even bother.

 

[gattaca]

36 minutes ago, sandeep said:

 

This is apt. What I have see with many Indians in the west.

 

 

[zen]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

 

 Well it is not my fault that fools only know “2 types of Indians”. As they say, “Mullah ki daud masjid tak”.  (Similarly, turn it into religion X v religion Y, region X v region Y, etc.)
 

All those crappy opinions do not change what I wrote on “sports”. 

PS talking about “Indians”, most are highly unpatriotic, who channel their fake patriotism through cricket, while evading taxes, polluting the country, not stoping to help those in accident, selling adulterated food and medicine, etc. 

Edited February 13, 2023 by zen

[Texan]

Surely, there has got to be some protocol for whether someone can use a pitch on which a Test match has been played on. The pitch is not the same as a practice pitch. I haven't heard anyone requesting this before, but if there is a protocol for such things, it should be applied. Practice pitches are provided to both teams. What if Indian team also requested that they practice on this pitch? What would the ground's management do? There is only one match pitch and both team cannot practice at the same place at the same time. Did Australia provide such match pitches to us when we toured there? There has got to be a protocol and a reciprocity agreement in place if such a request should be honored.

 

[speedracer]

6 hours ago, zen said:

Aus is a champion sports country - rugby, hockey, cricket, football, ..., ..., ... 

 

Everything India does including doctoring pitches, preventing practise, etc., only confirms what I have been saying since a long time - it is a country that does not even understand sports! 

Aus is a joke in footbal and mediocre in rugby. Nz south africa and even England constantly pummel them. They are good in rugby league which is played seriously by exactly 2 nations. 

 

Bute yes they are a champion in cricket. Terrific at using sand paper and other accessories to gain an unfair advantage. Sure.

 

Hockey is played seriously by what? 4 teams. Indian players get paid maybe 500$ a month? 

 

India has some talent. We are corrupt and that's why we are behind. Yes no doubt it. We also have limited amount of resources and poor income per capita. We also have no sports culture due to lack of resources. 

[Texan]

4 hours ago, zen said:

Such non sense only works among “fellow like minded Indians”, who pat each others back (as no one else will) to justify their cheating behaviour. 
 

As for pitches in Aus, out there venues support different type of cricket: pace at Perth & Brisbane, spin at Sydney (yes, spin in Sydney), etc. They do not “doctor” pitches. 
 

 

 

What are you talking about? Looks like you haven't watched Test cricket in Sydney in a while and appear to be blindly trusting what the Aussies told you.

Read this article about how "spin friendly" SCG has been of late: 

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/01/03/is-the-scg-still-a-spin-friendly-track-or-is-it-all-just-a-myth/

 

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Here is a statistical report on the average of bowling averages of the top five wicket taking spin-bowlers at the Sydney Cricket Ground:

 

Until 1980s = 21.47

1981 – 1999 = 23.58

2000 – 2009 = 30.62

Since 2011 = 38.64

 

Two of the current day bests, Nathan Lyon and Ravi Ashwin, average 48.13 and 80.80 respectively at the SCG since 2011.

 

And why do you think pitches in India that support spinners are "doctored". Pitches in India always traditionally supported spinners or were flat batting tracks. Its not like we suddenly turned green bouncy pitches into spin friendly ones. Of course, if you listen to too much Aussie media propaganda, you will start believing that we "doctored" pitches, but that's not the case. We have always had spin friendly pitches in our cricket history.

[speedracer]

5 hours ago, sandeep said:

 

what absolute trash - you have a serious self-hate problem which you are masquerading as some sort of fake holier than thou superiority complex. 

Usually its people who have no real exprience in sports or people who have some sort of inferiority complex due to their lack of physical attributes to play at a competitive level that spout rubbish. They assume every Indian is the same and are jealous to see an Indian with better physical attributes than oneself. It's disgusting to see. Indians come in all kinds of shape and sizes. Same people that use the genes theory to suit their agenda of being inferior. 

Edited February 13, 2023 by speedracer

[speedracer]

5 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Agree with everything except the doctored pitch Part.  Indian pitches aid spin... 

Pitch doctoring is associated with Saffers & Kiwis who make green mambas for Subcontinent teams but make decent flat pitches when Gora teams tour. 

 

Your other points are spot on though.  It's unlikely we Indians will ever understand sports. 

 

 

 

Lol SA changed the nature of third test pitch. It was supposed to get harder to bat but pitch got flatter after each passing day. Excellent pitch doctoring. That is like phd in doctoring. Atleast in India you are made aware that it's going to turn. Just prepare to play spin and bounce.

Edited February 13, 2023 by speedracer