Hatsoff to Jadeja and Ashwin - Golden combination for Indian test cricket

[rangeelaraja]

Australia coach Andrew McDonald plays down Nagpur pitch controversy: We too produce bouncy tracks

Border-Gavaskar Trophy: Australia head coach Andrew McDonald stated that he was not surprised by what was on offer on the Indian pitches ahead of the series opener in Nagpur.

 

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/australia-coach-andrew-mcdonald-plays-down-nagpur-pitch-controversy-2332440-2023-02-09

 

 

A nice kick in the nuts for Hardik Pandya’s lover. 

[speedracer]

55 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

Australia coach Andrew McDonald plays down Nagpur pitch controversy: We too produce bouncy tracks

Border-Gavaskar Trophy: Australia head coach Andrew McDonald stated that he was not surprised by what was on offer on the Indian pitches ahead of the series opener in Nagpur.

 

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/australia-coach-andrew-mcdonald-plays-down-nagpur-pitch-controversy-2332440-2023-02-09

 

 

A nice kick in the nuts for Hardik Pandya’s lover. 

Exactly. @Lone Wolf

Oz not to so nice either. I am sorry. I live here and trust me pitches are tailored for bounce based bowlers. It's just that we have good bowlers for bouncy conditions and that's why we did well. 

Actually for all conditions. It's our batting that usually let's us down in sena. 

[speedracer]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Yup. The way India wins Tests is completely different. Pacers in SENA. Spinners everywhere else.  Spinners play support role in SENA. Seamers support everywhere else. Last 10 years India has the best bowling performances Home and Away.

 

Correction. Indian pacers are deadly in Asia too. As deadly as spinners. That's why we dominate teams. Averages are very close.

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, speedracer said:

Exactly. @Lone Wolf

Oz not to so nice either. I am sorry. I live here and trust me pitches are tailored for bounce based bowlers. It's just that we have good bowlers for bouncy conditions and that's why we did well. 

Actually for all conditions. It's our batting that usually let's us down in sena. 

Aussie tracks are the best if u want high quality cricket.  True pitches no extravagant movement,  no doctored tracks likes of which we see in NZ SA. 

Batters as well as bowlers are interested.  Indian batters have enjoyed over the years batting in Australia.  Sachin called it best place for stroke makers. 

Sure sometimes they leave grass on on drop in pitches like MCG otherwise they can go dead. 

T20 WC in Australia was also exciting...  It was good to see strong bowling sides doing well & Trundlers getting dispatched. 

[speedracer]

18 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Aussie tracks are the best if u want high quality cricket.  True pitches no extravagant movement,  no doctored tracks likes of which we see in NZ SA. 

Batters as well as bowlers are interested.  Indian batters have enjoyed over the years batting in Australia.  Sachin called it best place for stroke makers. 

Sure sometimes they leave grass on on drop in pitches like MCG otherwise they can go dead. 

T20 WC in Australia was also exciting...  It was good to see strong bowling sides doing well & Trundlers getting dispatched. 

True. I can't stand 2 teams. Nz and England. Phd in pitch rigging. Need to teach them a lesson especially kiwis. We almost beat England and we really should have.

Bazzball or gasball. They are still no different. It's the dame players barring Brook. It's a mentality shift sure. They are doing well. I always knew they had some quality stroke players for flat tracks. But their techniques on bowling friendly pitched is poor and will be exploited. 

 

Also their bowlers are either old or trundling. 

Edited February 26, 2023 by speedracer

[vvvslaxman]

7 hours ago, speedracer said:

Correction. Indian pacers are deadly in Asia too. As deadly as spinners. That's why we dominate teams. Averages are very close.

 

I mean. They can. But used sparingly in comparison. 

[Vijy]

7 hours ago, speedracer said:

True. I can't stand 2 teams. Nz and England. Phd in pitch rigging. Need to teach them a lesson especially kiwis. We almost beat England and we really should have.

Bazzball or gasball. They are still no different. It's the dame players barring Brook. It's a mentality shift sure. They are doing well. I always knew they had some quality stroke players for flat tracks. But their techniques on bowling friendly pitched is poor and will be exploited. 

 

Also their bowlers are either old or trundling. 

NZ always give us massively diff pitches. good thing bangers smacked them around

[zen]

With Leech picking up 8 wkts in NZ, below is a list of spinners who picked up a 5-er in SENA since 2014:

 

Host country Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2014

Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler

Qualifications five wickets in an inns greater than or equal to 1

Ordered by bowling average (ascending)

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
L Embuldeniya (SL)	2019-2019	2	3	41.3	4	143	6	5/66	6/117	23.83	3.44	41.5	1	0
Kuldeep Yadav (IND)	2018-2019	2	2	40.5	7	143	5	5/99	5/99	28.60	3.50	49.0	1	0
NM Lyon (AUS)	2014-2023	66	123	2802.3	554	8186	256	7/152	12/286	31.97	2.92	65.6	10	2
KA Maharaj (SA)	2016-2023	40	66	1159.1	220	3648	114	7/32	9/97	32.00	3.14	61.0	7	0
MJ Leach (ENG)	2018-2023	19	29	580.1	118	1849	48	5/66	10/166	38.52	3.18	72.5	3	1
MM Ali (ENG)	2014-2021	45	77	1267.0	185	4601	119	6/53	10/112	38.66	3.63	63.8	4	1
Taijul Islam (BAN)	2017-2022	3	4	113.0	12	446	11	6/135	9/202	40.54	3.94	61.6	1	0
DM Bess (ENG)	2018-2020	10	15	280.5	66	771	19	5/51	6/87	40.57	2.74	88.6	1	0
DL Piedt (SA)	2015-2016	5	8	145.0	28	543	12	5/153	6/216	45.25	3.74	72.5	1	0
RL Chase (WI)	2017-2022	12	17	337.0	33	1335	26	5/172	5/172	51.34	3.96	77.7	1	0
Yasir Shah (PAK)	2016-2020	16	26	654.0	63	2534	46	6/72	10/141	55.08	3.87	85.3	2	1

 

 

Missing are the two experienced Indian spinners leaching on turners in India

[zen]

Let's not forget these two, like most stat padding Indian cricketers, keep an eye on their stats:

 

He (Rohit) was asked about how he manages three spinners, all of whom want a piece of the Australian batters and want to take wickets on helpful pitches. In his typical, comical Bambaiya accent, Rohit Sharma revealed that both Jadeja and Ashwin had tussle in the middle as both were approaching milestones and both wanted to bowl from that one end that was favoring the bowlers.

“Jadeja was saying, ‘ Main 249 wickets pe hu yaar mujhe 250 chahiye (I am on 249 wickets and I want to get the 250th. Give me the ball). Ravichandran Ashwin, who has taken 450 wickets, but still said ‘Maine 4 wickets liye hai mujhe 5 chahiye (I want to pick the five-wicket haul)’,” Rohit said, leaving Irfan and Dasgupta in splits.

 

 

Edited February 27, 2023 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

Leach's bunnies :) You can exclude Rohit as he conceded 66 runs for each dismissal. Rest are bunnies

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

You need to be an extraordinarily mediocre batsman to be a bunny of Leach who averages 35 in his career.

[sarcastic]

On 2/27/2023 at 7:50 AM, vvvslaxman said:

You need to be an extraordinarily mediocre batsman to be a bunny of Leach who averages 35 in his career.

Cough*** Pujara ****cough

[zen]

These turner specialists  

[Chakdephatte]

Seeing Jadeja bowl without Ash in India will be awkward. 537 wickets at 24 apiece, one of the greatest spinners in 150 years of test cricket history. 

 

Plus a better batsman than the likes of Gill, Iyer, Rahane. 

[Gollum]

End of an era.

[Lord]

1 hour ago, Chakdephatte said:

Seeing Jadeja bowl without Ash in India will be awkward. 537 wickets at 24 apiece, one of the greatest spinners in 150 years of test cricket history. 

 

Plus a better batsman than the likes of Gill, Iyer, Rahane. 

 

Their bonding was awesome

 

 

[goose]

i'd be bery miffed if i was ashwin. a failing batting order refusing to pick jadeja as a batsman only, always leaning on his spin,  despite him being the best batsman in the side in recent times, and ashwin being the better spinner.

[Ultimate_Game]

3 hours ago, goose said:

i'd be bery miffed if i was ashwin. a failing batting order refusing to pick jadeja as a batsman only, always leaning on his spin,  despite him being the best batsman in the side in recent times, and ashwin being the better spinner.

 

Ashwin struggled in one series (NZ) and retired. Jadeja struggled in one series (NZ) and he was dropped despite being a better batter than our specialist batters. But our specialist senior batters who've been laying eggs for ages, and in case of the fake king for more than 5 years, there're no repercussions. They're still there. They're not scoring runs, dropping catches, captaining like an inebriated drunk, and forcing the team to play with 9 players.

 

Yet they're neither dropped or held accountable. Nearly every other player, especially bowlers and youngsters, is made to pay for these so called stars' lack of performances but they continue playing. In fact even now Ashwin and Jadeja deserve to play much more than both Kohli and Rohit but that won't happen coz the so called "King" is simply going through a 5+ year rough patch and we should all wait for the rough patch to be over anytime within the next 5 years.

[goose]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Ashwin struggled in one series (NZ) and retired. Jadeja struggled in one series (NZ) and he was dropped despite being a better batter than our specialist batters. But our specialist senior batters who've been laying eggs for ages, and in case of the fake king for more than 5 years, there're no repercussions. They're still there. They're not scoring runs, dropping catches, captaining like an inebriated drunk, and forcing the team to play with 9 players.

 

Yet they're neither dropped or held accountable. Nearly every other player, especially bowlers and youngsters, is made to pay for these so called stars' lack of performances but they continue playing. In fact even now Ashwin and Jadeja deserve to play much more than both Kohli and Rohit but that won't happen coz the so called "King" is simply going through a 5+ year rough patch and we should all wait for the rough patch to be over anytime within the next 5 years.

I hear you but I’m not quite as hostile as you. be it Bollywood or cricket this is our way and it will never change and I accept it. my only concern is the next two tests and which bats are most likely to contribute. KL has had a bang average career but is delivering. I stay hopeful the others join in two for one last hurrah!

[Ultimate_Game]

4 hours ago, goose said:

I hear you but I’m not quite as hostile as you. be it Bollywood or cricket this is our way and it will never change and I accept it. my only concern is the next two tests and which bats are most likely to contribute. KL has had a bang average career but is delivering. I stay hopeful the others join in two for one last hurrah!

 

If we don't change, we'll continue to be mediocre instead of dominating the game as we should. IMO we deserve better and though we don't have much of a say but we shouldn't accept it.