2022 Asian Games, Hangzhou (23rd September to 8th October, 2023)

[bharathh]

Breakdown of Olympics Medals

 

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[deathmonger]

10 hours ago, poyzzplaidwell said:

Asian games mein poyzz ko ek bhi gold medal nahi... Waise bhi paxtani athlete gold medal bechne china kee markit mein chale jate to eat some buns..

India ne toh es games mein Poyzz ka dhaaga khol dia.

Need to beat them more and more in different sports so that they realize they are weak and not athletic. 

 

they didnt win any last time either

 

won 1 in 2014 but that was womens cricket where india were not playing

[deepdynamo]

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Going through the Tokyo Olympics medal table and comparing it with the Asian games medal table 2023

 

- China and Japan are true global sporting power. Both are 2nd and 3rd even in Olympics.
- South Korea who is 3rd in Asian games is 16th in Olympics with 20 total medals ( 6 Gold). Sort of fine but could have done better.
- India - 4th here but a poor 48th in Olympics with 7 medals.
- Uzbekistan, 5th here but a poor 32th in Olympics with only 5 medals ( 3 Gold)
- Chines Taipei, 6th in Asian games but 34th in Olympics with 12 medals ( 2 Gold)
- Iran, 7th here, is 27th in Olympic just because they got 3 Gold (total 7 medals)
- Thailand, 8th here, is a fraud in Olympics. Just 2 medals ( 1 Gold) with 60th position in Olympics.
- Bahrain, 9th here, is the biggest fraud. Just one medal in Olympics ( 75th position)
- North Korea, 10th here, didn't patriate in Olympics 2020
- Kazakhstan, 11th here, is 83rd in Olympics.
- Hongkong, 12th here, is 49th position ( similar to India with 6 total medals)
- Indonesia, 13th here, is 55th in Olympic
- Malaysia, 14th here, is 72th in Olympics.
- Qatar , 15th here, is 41st in Olympics with 3 Medals ( 2 Gold)

 

So, going by above table- it is clear that we need around 4 Gold medals to be around 20th position ( which is sort of respectable position for a country that is 4th in Asia). 

How can we do it? 

 

1. We must have couple of sports with total domination
- Newzealand won all of their 6 gold medals in Rowing & Caoning
- Kenya won all their 4 gold medals in Athletics- middle distance & long distance
- Jamaica won all their 4 gold medals in Athletic- sprint
- Cuba won 4 out of 7 gold medals in Boxing
- South Korea won 4 out of their 6 gold medal in Archery
- Poland won all their 4 Gold medals in Athletic ( 2 in Hammer throw)
- Japan won 9 Gold in Judo & 5 in Wrestling
- China is beast in Weightlifting & Diving
- Australia 9 Gold in Swimming and 2 each in Rowing, Canoing and Sailing. That's 15 medals out of 19 in the water sports.

 

2. Four Gold Medals with total Ten medals should be target for the next Olympics. But do we have the champions to achieve this goal? 
-Neeraj is a champion but we somehow need 3 more champions. 
- Shooting must come good in Paris. 
- Badminton players ( Satwik-Chirag & Pranaoy/Lakshya) must step up. 
- Woman Boxing maybe.
 

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by deepdynamo

[bharathh]

8 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

Going through the Tokyo Olympics medal table and comparing it with the Asian games medal table 2023

 

- China and Japan are true global sporting power. Both are 2nd and 3rd even in Olympics.
- South Korea who is 3rd in Asian games is 16th in Olympics with 20 total medals ( 6 Gold). Sort of fine but could have done better.
- India - 4th here but a poor 48th in Olympics with 7 medals.
- Uzbekistan, 5th here but a poor 32th in Olympics with only 5 medals ( 3 Gold)
- Chines Taipei, 6th in Asian games but 34th in Olympics with 12 medals ( 2 Gold)
- Iran, 7th here, is 27th in Olympic just because they got 3 Gold (total 7 medals)
- Thailand, 8th here, is a fraud in Olympics. Just 2 medals ( 1 Gold) with 60th poistion in Olympics.
- Bahrain, 9th here, is the biggest fraud. Just one medal in Olympics ( 75th position)
- North Korea, 10th here, didn't patriate in Olympics 2020
- Kazakhstan, 11th here, is 83rd in Olympics.
- Hongkong, 12th here, is 49th position ( similar to India with 6 total medals)
- Indonesia, 13th here, is 55th in Olympic
- Malaysia, 14th here, is 72th in Olympics.
- Qatar , 15th here, is 41st in Olympics with 3 Medals ( 2 Gold)

 

So, going by above table- it is clear that we need around 4 Gold medals to be around 20th position ( which is sort of respectable position for a country that is 4th in Asia). 

How can we do it? 

 

1. We must have couple of sports with total domination
- Newzealand won all of their 6 gold medals in Rowing & Caoning
- Kenya won all their 4 gold medals in Athletics- middle distance & long distance
- Jamaica won all their 4 gold medals in Athletic- sprint
- Cuba won 4 out of 7 gold medals in Boxing
- South Korea won 4 out of their 6 gold medal in Archery
- Poland won all their 4 medals in Athletic ( 2 in Hammer throw)
- Japan won 9 Gold in Judo & 5 in Wrestling
- China is beast in Weightlifting & Diving
- Australia 9 Gold in Swimming and 2 each in Rowing, Canoing and Sailing. That's 15 medals out of 19 in the water sports.

 

2. Four Gold Medals with total 10 medals should be target for the next Olympics. But do we have the champions to achieve this goal? 
-Neeraj is a champion but we somehow need 3 more champions. 
-Shooting must come good in Paris. 
-Badminton players ( Satwik-Chirag & Pranaoy/Lakshya) must step up. 
-Woman Boxing maybe.
 

 

 

We will be lucky to win 4 Golds. Other than Neeraj Chopra we don't have anyone we can count on (even then it will depend on the vagaries of sport on that day. If he hit the 90m consistently he would be a favourite. He still is but not a lock)

 

Our best chances are Nikhat Zareen and Lovlina Borgohain. Nikhat lost 3-2 controversialy IMO (paid the price perhaps for not being as aggressive as she normally is) and Lovlina's loss to the #3 needs to be worked on. The IBA has written to the Chinese board expressing concern at the refereeing btw. They apparently were not involved at all. Still both boxers need to work on putting away their opponents so there are doubts as to the winner. Hopefully they have 10 months to work on this. 5 women boxers already have punched their ticket to Paris from the world Championships.

 

Otherwise the other gold is anyone's guess. Satwik and Chirag would be good candidates - but Badminton medals are extremely difficult to come by and highly dependent on form. If they play as well as they have here - they should have a shot. Still a low chance though. Don't see anyone else have a shot. Shooting should bring in golds - but as I mentioned in a post above - although we do great in qualification our shooters lose their nerve in the finals. I don't know how the Chinese do it - but somehow they never do. Just like the Koreans in archery or the Japanese women in wrestling.

[rangeelaraja]

27 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

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Going through the Tokyo Olympics medal table and comparing it with the Asian games medal table 2023

 

- China and Japan are true global sporting power. Both are 2nd and 3rd even in Olympics.
- South Korea who is 3rd in Asian games is 16th in Olympics with 20 total medals ( 6 Gold). Sort of fine but could have done better.
- India - 4th here but a poor 48th in Olympics with 7 medals.
- Uzbekistan, 5th here but a poor 32th in Olympics with only 5 medals ( 3 Gold)
- Chines Taipei, 6th in Asian games but 34th in Olympics with 12 medals ( 2 Gold)
- Iran, 7th here, is 27th in Olympic just because they got 3 Gold (total 7 medals)
- Thailand, 8th here, is a fraud in Olympics. Just 2 medals ( 1 Gold) with 60th position in Olympics.
- Bahrain, 9th here, is the biggest fraud. Just one medal in Olympics ( 75th position)
- North Korea, 10th here, didn't patriate in Olympics 2020
- Kazakhstan, 11th here, is 83rd in Olympics.
- Hongkong, 12th here, is 49th position ( similar to India with 6 total medals)
- Indonesia, 13th here, is 55th in Olympic
- Malaysia, 14th here, is 72th in Olympics.
- Qatar , 15th here, is 41st in Olympics with 3 Medals ( 2 Gold)

 

So, going by above table- it is clear that we need around 4 Gold medals to be around 20th position ( which is sort of respectable position for a country that is 4th in Asia). 

How can we do it? 

 

1. We must have couple of sports with total domination
- Newzealand won all of their 6 gold medals in Rowing & Caoning
- Kenya won all their 4 gold medals in Athletics- middle distance & long distance
- Jamaica won all their 4 gold medals in Athletic- sprint
- Cuba won 4 out of 7 gold medals in Boxing
- South Korea won 4 out of their 6 gold medal in Archery
- Poland won all their 4 Gold medals in Athletic ( 2 in Hammer throw)
- Japan won 9 Gold in Judo & 5 in Wrestling
- China is beast in Weightlifting & Diving
- Australia 9 Gold in Swimming and 2 each in Rowing, Canoing and Sailing. That's 15 medals out of 19 in the water sports.

 

2. Four Gold Medals with total Ten medals should be target for the next Olympics. But do we have the champions to achieve this goal? 
-Neeraj is a champion but we somehow need 3 more champions. 
- Shooting must come good in Paris. 
- Badminton players ( Satwik-Chirag & Pranaoy/Lakshya) must step up. 
- Woman Boxing maybe.
 

 

 

 

The formula is not rocket science....we need to target medal rich sports where sometimes a single athlete has a shot at 2-3 Gold medals  & hire the very best in the world.

 

Its the formula that has helped each and every communist country dominate Olympics  be it Soviet Union,  East Germany,  China or North Korea ( punches way above its  weight when it participates )

 

Requires a strong federation, best in the world training and dedicated athletes. 

 

Medal rich sports that India can plan for - Badminton, Table Tennis, Archery, Shooting, Boxing, Weightlifting 

 

I read somewhere that for the 2012 London Olympics athlete preparation - on a average 1.5 million GBP ( 2 million USD ) was spent by UK per athlete.

 

UK got the full benefits of that in 2016 Rio Olympics - where they finished #2 in the medal tally, just behind US, and ahead of China, Russia...and miles ahead of rest of Europe.

 

Our spending on training is still peanuts.

 

China spends billions of dollars on athelte training every single year cumulatively across all Olympics sports.  We spend less than 100 million dollars. And the difference shows.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by rangeelaraja

[bharathh]

China has an athlete grooming program that starts from Kindergarten in China. Children are taken away from their families for sports from a very young age. I would never want something like that to be replicated in India. It's ok if we win fewer medals. Let them come up in the sport in the right way

[raki05]

1 hour ago, deepdynamo said:

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Going through the Tokyo Olympics medal table and comparing it with the Asian games medal table 2023

 

- China and Japan are true global sporting power. Both are 2nd and 3rd even in Olympics.
- South Korea who is 3rd in Asian games is 16th in Olympics with 20 total medals ( 6 Gold). Sort of fine but could have done better.
- India - 4th here but a poor 48th in Olympics with 7 medals.
- Uzbekistan, 5th here but a poor 32th in Olympics with only 5 medals ( 3 Gold)
- Chines Taipei, 6th in Asian games but 34th in Olympics with 12 medals ( 2 Gold)
- Iran, 7th here, is 27th in Olympic just because they got 3 Gold (total 7 medals)
- Thailand, 8th here, is a fraud in Olympics. Just 2 medals ( 1 Gold) with 60th position in Olympics.
- Bahrain, 9th here, is the biggest fraud. Just one medal in Olympics ( 75th position)
- North Korea, 10th here, didn't patriate in Olympics 2020
- Kazakhstan, 11th here, is 83rd in Olympics.
- Hongkong, 12th here, is 49th position ( similar to India with 6 total medals)
- Indonesia, 13th here, is 55th in Olympic
- Malaysia, 14th here, is 72th in Olympics.
- Qatar , 15th here, is 41st in Olympics with 3 Medals ( 2 Gold)

 

So, going by above table- it is clear that we need around 4 Gold medals to be around 20th position ( which is sort of respectable position for a country that is 4th in Asia). 

How can we do it? 

 

1. We must have couple of sports with total domination
- Newzealand won all of their 6 gold medals in Rowing & Caoning
- Kenya won all their 4 gold medals in Athletics- middle distance & long distance
- Jamaica won all their 4 gold medals in Athletic- sprint
- Cuba won 4 out of 7 gold medals in Boxing
- South Korea won 4 out of their 6 gold medal in Archery
- Poland won all their 4 Gold medals in Athletic ( 2 in Hammer throw)
- Japan won 9 Gold in Judo & 5 in Wrestling
- China is beast in Weightlifting & Diving
- Australia 9 Gold in Swimming and 2 each in Rowing, Canoing and Sailing. That's 15 medals out of 19 in the water sports.

 

2. Four Gold Medals with total Ten medals should be target for the next Olympics. But do we have the champions to achieve this goal? 
-Neeraj is a champion but we somehow need 3 more champions. 
- Shooting must come good in Paris. 
- Badminton players ( Satwik-Chirag & Pranaoy/Lakshya) must step up. 
- Woman Boxing maybe.
 

 

Most of these games in olympics heavily favoured westners, like they never put kabaddi, kho-kho and squash kind of games in olympics.. Swimming alone has more medals than any other individual sports, there are few sports in which they are only good having more number of medals. However as you rightly said we have to be at our best and try to target for 4-5 golds and probably stop choking at crunch times.

[rollingstoned]

1 hour ago, deepdynamo said:

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Going through the Tokyo Olympics medal table and comparing it with the Asian games medal table 2023

 

- China and Japan are true global sporting power. Both are 2nd and 3rd even in Olympics.
- South Korea who is 3rd in Asian games is 16th in Olympics with 20 total medals ( 6 Gold). Sort of fine but could have done better.
- India - 4th here but a poor 48th in Olympics with 7 medals.
- Uzbekistan, 5th here but a poor 32th in Olympics with only 5 medals ( 3 Gold)
- Chines Taipei, 6th in Asian games but 34th in Olympics with 12 medals ( 2 Gold)
- Iran, 7th here, is 27th in Olympic just because they got 3 Gold (total 7 medals)
- Thailand, 8th here, is a fraud in Olympics. Just 2 medals ( 1 Gold) with 60th position in Olympics.
- Bahrain, 9th here, is the biggest fraud. Just one medal in Olympics ( 75th position)
- North Korea, 10th here, didn't patriate in Olympics 2020
- Kazakhstan, 11th here, is 83rd in Olympics.
- Hongkong, 12th here, is 49th position ( similar to India with 6 total medals)
- Indonesia, 13th here, is 55th in Olympic
- Malaysia, 14th here, is 72th in Olympics.
- Qatar , 15th here, is 41st in Olympics with 3 Medals ( 2 Gold)

 

So, going by above table- it is clear that we need around 4 Gold medals to be around 20th position ( which is sort of respectable position for a country that is 4th in Asia). 

How can we do it? 

 

1. We must have couple of sports with total domination
- Newzealand won all of their 6 gold medals in Rowing & Caoning
- Kenya won all their 4 gold medals in Athletics- middle distance & long distance
- Jamaica won all their 4 gold medals in Athletic- sprint
- Cuba won 4 out of 7 gold medals in Boxing
- South Korea won 4 out of their 6 gold medal in Archery
- Poland won all their 4 Gold medals in Athletic ( 2 in Hammer throw)
- Japan won 9 Gold in Judo & 5 in Wrestling
- China is beast in Weightlifting & Diving
- Australia 9 Gold in Swimming and 2 each in Rowing, Canoing and Sailing. That's 15 medals out of 19 in the water sports.

 

2. Four Gold Medals with total Ten medals should be target for the next Olympics. But do we have the champions to achieve this goal? 
-Neeraj is a champion but we somehow need 3 more champions. 
- Shooting must come good in Paris. 
- Badminton players ( Satwik-Chirag & Pranaoy/Lakshya) must step up. 
- Woman Boxing maybe.
 

 

Very good post. In recent times some of the medals we have won were surprises so it is possible we will get one or 2 medals from those we did not anticipate in events we would not have heard of. eg. the women's team who won that event whose name i forget in CWG where the ball is rolled along the grass, Aditi ashok who came close, Abhinav Bindra etc. Other than that we just have to deal with the fact that we don't have medal locks in many events and so gold would be a pleasant surprise and a silver/bronze medal would be a good achievement.

[randomGuy]

I had suggested that instead of domination of a single sport, we should have a pool of world class athletes across sports.... current the pool for Olympic sports could be...

 

{Neeraj, Jena, men's hockey team, chirag/satwik, lakshya, prannoy...}

 

(While both are world class, I believe lakshya is better and fitter than prannoy. Also for ex.  sreeshankar, Sable are decent medal prospects, they can't be put into the above bracket still)

 

I want let us say 30-40 prospects to be in this pool to be able to win 20 medal with (20/3=) 7 golds and be somewhere near top 10.

[Number]

@deepdynamo

I think we shouldn't really be too much obsessed with Gold at Olympics level. We should look to build good count in my opion at the moment.

Yes we don't have a domination sport but we have good diversified prospects.

Very realistically this is how we are going to fare in Paris

 

1. Hockey - 1 medal

2. Shooting - 1 medal

3. Boxing - 2 medals

4. Badminton - 1 medal

5. Wrestling - 3 medals

6. Athletics - 2 medals 

7. Surprise in other fields like Golf etc - 1

 

Will win around 11. Which is progress.

Edited October 8, 2023 by Number

[bharathh]

1 minute ago, Number said:

@deepdynamo

I think we shouldn't really be too much obsessed with Gold at Olympics level. We should look to build good count in my opion at the moment.

Yes we don't have a domination sport but we have good diversified prospects.

Very realistically this is how we are going to fare in Paris

 

1. Hockey - 1 medal

2. Shooting - 1 medal

3. Boxing - 2 medals

4. Badminton - 1 medal

5. Wrestling - 3 medals

6. Athletics - 2 medals 

7. Surprise in other fields like Golf etc - 1

 

Will win around 11. Which is progress.

Wrestling will be 0. Boxing 1.

[deepdynamo]

5 hours ago, bharathh said:

 

We will be lucky to win 4 Golds. Other than Neeraj Chopra we don't have anyone we can count on (even then it will depend on the vagaries of sport on that day. If he hit the 90m consistently he would be a favourite. He still is but not a lock)

 

Our best chances are Nikhat Zareen and Lovlina Borgohain. Nikhat lost 3-2 controversialy IMO (paid the price perhaps for not being as aggressive as she normally is) and Lovlina's loss to the #3 needs to be worked on. The IBA has written to the Chinese board expressing concern at the refereeing btw. They apparently were not involved at all. Still both boxers need to work on putting away their opponents so there are doubts as to the winner. Hopefully they have 10 months to work on this. 5 women boxers already have punched their ticket to Paris from the world Championships.

 

Otherwise the other gold is anyone's guess. Satwik and Chirag would be good candidates - but Badminton medals are extremely difficult to come by and highly dependent on form. If they play as well as they have here - they should have a shot. Still a low chance though. Don't see anyone else have a shot. Shooting should bring in golds - but as I mentioned in a post above - although we do great in qualification our shooters lose their nerve in the finals. I don't know how the Chinese do it - but somehow they never do. Just like the Koreans in archery or the Japanese women in wrestling.

 

Weightlifting is a big miss. I don't know why we didn't develop Weightlifting as a potential breed of medalists. We even have our hero - Chanu - but still messed it up. After nearly 4 years, Chanu is regressed and we don't have anybody. 

Wrestling is another letdown after Tokyo2020. We should have been on a mission to produce more talent after its popularity but failed spectacularly. Now we are on stage that we may not even win a bronze there.

 

Archery ( Recurve) is a sport that we should also target. If Korea can master it, we can too. We have the foundations too.

 

[deepdynamo]

5 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

The formula is not rocket science....we need to target medal rich sports where sometimes a single athlete has a shot at 2-3 Gold medals  & hire the very best in the world.

 

Its the formula that has helped each and every communist country dominate Olympics  be it Soviet Union,  East Germany,  China or North Korea ( punches way above its  weight when it participates )

 

Requires a strong federation, best in the world training and dedicated athletes. 

 

Medal rich sports that India can plan for - Badminton, Table Tennis, Archery, Shooting, Boxing, Weightlifting 

 

I read somewhere that for the 2012 London Olympics athlete preparation - on a average 1.5 million GBP ( 2 million USD ) was spent by UK per athlete.

 

UK got the full benefits of that in 2016 Rio Olympics - where they finished #2 in the medal tally, just behind US, and ahead of China, Russia...and miles ahead of rest of Europe.

 

Our spending on training is still peanuts.

 

China spends billions of dollars on athelte training every single year cumulatively across all Olympics sports.  We spend less than 100 million dollars. And the difference shows.

 

Most of our elite athletes does receive adequate facilities & funding. That is not an excuse anymore. One rung below though, all emerging athletes are struggling for basic facilities and coaches. That is a real problem. Also, we are not a sporting country plays its part too.

 

[deepdynamo]

4 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

Very good post. In recent times some of the medals we have won were surprises so it is possible we will get one or 2 medals from those we did not anticipate in events we would not have heard of. eg. the women's team who won that event whose name i forget in CWG where the ball is rolled along the grass, Aditi ashok who came close, Abhinav Bindra etc. Other than that we just have to deal with the fact that we don't have medal locks in many events and so gold would be a pleasant surprise and a silver/bronze medal would be a good achievement.

 

Yes, we will get surprises in future too with some unknown athletes surprising us by nicking a bronze or silver. But never seen someone fluking Gold in Olympics. We need to identify our champions and give them everything we got. That is the only way to produce champions. Good thing is TOPS program identifying potential medalist and supporting them.

[deepdynamo]

3 hours ago, randomGuy said:

I had suggested that instead of domination of a single sport, we should have a pool of world class athletes across sports.... current the pool for Olympic sports could be...

 

{Neeraj, Jena, men's hockey team, chirag/satwik, lakshya, prannoy...}

 

(While both are world class, I believe lakshya is better and fitter than prannoy. Also for ex.  sreeshankar, Sable are decent medal prospects, they can't be put into the above bracket still)

 

I want let us say 30-40 prospects to be in this pool to be able to win 20 medal with (20/3=) 7 golds and be somewhere near top 10.

 

That is an interesting opinion but don't know how it can be achieved. We do have a diverse portfolio of sports but at Olympics level most of them are just passengers. In my opinion, we just need 20-30 high performing athletes in few sports and give them the best of the world. The diversification of sports can be done at CWG & ASIAN games level.

[deepdynamo]

2 hours ago, Number said:

@deepdynamo

I think we shouldn't really be too much obsessed with Gold at Olympics level. We should look to build good count in my opion at the moment.

Yes we don't have a domination sport but we have good diversified prospects.

Very realistically this is how we are going to fare in Paris

 

1. Hockey - 1 medal

2. Shooting - 1 medal

3. Boxing - 2 medals

4. Badminton - 1 medal

5. Wrestling - 3 medals

6. Athletics - 2 medals 

7. Surprise in other fields like Golf etc - 1

 

Will win around 11. Which is progress.

 

We have never been obsessed by Gold at Olympics in our history. For a long time, we participated for the sake of participation. Then later on, we started getting few medals ( just 1 or 2). Only in the last Olympic, we did really well comparing to our history-7 medals was  huge. Now, it is time to push the momentum. As a nation, the time for a middling sporting nation is gone. The funding and facilities have been never better for elite athlete. We should aim for producing more champions.

Anything less than 10 medals at Paris will be a failure. But as I see now I can't see how can we reach 10 medals. Luck will play its part also. 

[Number]

13 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

 

We have never been obsessed by Gold at Olympics in our history. For a long time, we participated for the sake of participation. Then later on, we started getting few medals ( just 1 or 2). Only in the last Olympic, we did really well comparing to our history-7 medals was  huge. Now, it is time to push the momentum. As a nation, the time for a middling sporting nation is gone. The funding and facilities have been never better for elite athlete. We should aim for producing more champions.

Anything less than 10 medals at Paris will be a failure. But as I see now I can't see how can we reach 10 medals. Luck will play its part also. 

Olympics are a different beast altogether. In CWG and Asian Games we find categories to excel due to low competition but it gets really difficult in Olympics.

[randomGuy]

12 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

 

That is an interesting opinion but don't know how it can be achieved. We do have a diverse portfolio of sports but at Olympics level most of them are just passengers. In my opinion, we just need 20-30 high performing athletes in few sports and give them the best of the world. The diversification of sports can be done at CWG & ASIAN games level.

I agree. But most likely those 30 high performing medal prospects will come from diverse sports. Archery, shooting, athletics, hockey, badminton, boxing, wrestling etc.

 

But can we say high performing athletes can't come from swimming or weight lifting? No. So, investment needs to go in multiple sports. It will serve us well for the future. I have been thoroughly unimpressed with wrestling coach Satpal (biggest name in India). With him, it's all about 'me me me', given the dedication of parents and the talent pool, we should be iran level power in wrestling....I do not have doubt that if we had a pullela gopichand type visionary, coach , mentor and administrator in wrestling, we would be challenging iran today just like we challenge china in badminton.

 

 

[randomGuy]

"Prime Minister Modi will interact with and address the contingent of Indian athletes who participated in the Asian Games 2022 at around 4:30 pm on October 10, 2023 at Major Dhyan Chand Stadium, New Delhi, the Prime Minister's Office (PMO) said in a statement."

[deathmonger]

On 10/8/2023 at 10:14 AM, deepdynamo said:

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Going through the Tokyo Olympics medal table and comparing it with the Asian games medal table 2023

 

- China and Japan are true global sporting power. Both are 2nd and 3rd even in Olympics.
- South Korea who is 3rd in Asian games is 16th in Olympics with 20 total medals ( 6 Gold). Sort of fine but could have done better.
- India - 4th here but a poor 48th in Olympics with 7 medals.
- Uzbekistan, 5th here but a poor 32th in Olympics with only 5 medals ( 3 Gold)
- Chines Taipei, 6th in Asian games but 34th in Olympics with 12 medals ( 2 Gold)
- Iran, 7th here, is 27th in Olympic just because they got 3 Gold (total 7 medals)
- Thailand, 8th here, is a fraud in Olympics. Just 2 medals ( 1 Gold) with 60th position in Olympics.
- Bahrain, 9th here, is the biggest fraud. Just one medal in Olympics ( 75th position)
- North Korea, 10th here, didn't patriate in Olympics 2020
- Kazakhstan, 11th here, is 83rd in Olympics.
- Hongkong, 12th here, is 49th position ( similar to India with 6 total medals)
- Indonesia, 13th here, is 55th in Olympic
- Malaysia, 14th here, is 72th in Olympics.
- Qatar , 15th here, is 41st in Olympics with 3 Medals ( 2 Gold)

 

So, going by above table- it is clear that we need around 4 Gold medals to be around 20th position ( which is sort of respectable position for a country that is 4th in Asia). 

How can we do it? 

 

1. We must have couple of sports with total domination
- Newzealand won all of their 6 gold medals in Rowing & Caoning
- Kenya won all their 4 gold medals in Athletics- middle distance & long distance
- Jamaica won all their 4 gold medals in Athletic- sprint
- Cuba won 4 out of 7 gold medals in Boxing
- South Korea won 4 out of their 6 gold medal in Archery
- Poland won all their 4 Gold medals in Athletic ( 2 in Hammer throw)
- Japan won 9 Gold in Judo & 5 in Wrestling
- China is beast in Weightlifting & Diving
- Australia 9 Gold in Swimming and 2 each in Rowing, Canoing and Sailing. That's 15 medals out of 19 in the water sports.

 

2. Four Gold Medals with total Ten medals should be target for the next Olympics. But do we have the champions to achieve this goal? 
-Neeraj is a champion but we somehow need 3 more champions. 
- Shooting must come good in Paris. 
- Badminton players ( Satwik-Chirag & Pranaoy/Lakshya) must step up. 
- Woman Boxing maybe.
 

 

japan's 3rd position is due to home advantage though. their real level is 6th-7th.

 

china was 1 in 2008 due to home advantage.