Is Rahul Dravid Destroying Indian Cricket?

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

That is on Ganguly's head, he for some reason could not wait to get rid of Shastri and Kohli.

 

Shastri had reached the age limit of 60 and could not continue for another term.

 

Kohli should have continued as Test captain and a younger LOI captain was needed as Kohli wasn't a good white ball captain. 

Edited August 2, 2023 by express bowling

[Lord]

Just now, putrevus said:

That is very unfair. Rohit has played like 20 matches in last three years.

 

Rahul is not certainity if other players stake their claim.Kuldeep is playing over Chahal.

 

Bowling needs work but that has got nothing to do with older players.Younger guys like Prasidh Krsina have to stay healthy Guys like Umran have not improved at all. 

 

Jadjea played one match last world cup too that too after many injuries.Jadeja should not be in the squad.

 

Rohit has missed matches due to his own poor fitness. That only goes against him. Even then 1 ton in 20 matches is poor.

 

Rahul is counted among senior players. He's a certainty specially now after Pant incident.

 

Chahal is in the squad and come back any time in XI based on 'experience'

 

Jaddu wasn't injured in 2019 and did well but now Axar with improved batting has better claim.

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Shastri had reached the age limit of 60 and could not continue for another term.

 

Kohli should have continued as Test captain and a younger LOI captain was needed as Kohli wasn't a good white ball captain. 

 

Rohit was always gonna be next captain due to IPL success. That's how PR works.

 

Kohli is also at fault for not grooming young captain. There was too much chop and change in his tenure.

[putrevus]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Shastri had reached the age limit of 60 and could not continue for another term.

 

Kohli should have continued as Test captain and a younger LOI captain was needed as Kohli wasn't a good white ball captain. 

How was Kohli not good whiteball captain and who was better than him?

 

Why not make Bharat Arun the head coach then? there was no need to get Dravid as a coach.

 

Why is guy Arun not getting invloved with Indian cricket? He could at NCA working with fast bowlers.

Edited August 2, 2023 by putrevus

[putrevus]

20 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Rohit was always gonna be next captain due to IPL success. That's how PR works.

 

Kohli is also at fault for not grooming young captain. There was too much chop and change in his tenure.

Who was there to groom? Have you seen any player who became a core player in last decade? Kohli took over in 2017 as odi captain full time.

 

We are left with Pandya and he has become captain.

 

The problem again is IPL. IPL dicated last two captains, Rohit and Pandya.

 

Both of them are not great captain. IPL is nothing like international cricket.

Edited August 2, 2023 by putrevus

[putrevus]

15 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Rohit has missed matches due to his own poor fitness. That only goes against him. Even then 1 ton in 20 matches is poor.

 

Rahul is counted among senior players. He's a certainty specially now after Pant incident.

 

Chahal is in the squad and come back any time in XI based on 'experience'

 

Jaddu wasn't injured in 2019 and did well but now Axar with improved batting has better claim.

Do you have anyone better than Rahul. How can you blame Pant's injury on Rahul.

 

Jadeja was not injured in 2019 but did not play in all matches.If I am not wrong he played only one match that too it was semifinal.

 

Rohit will still walk into my playing eleven in world cup.He is too great for to be left out that to in Indian conditions.He is least of the issues.

 

Problem which has been plauging India cricket is lack of multi dimensional players .But people expected miracles from Kohli and Rohit to carry the team .

 

Dhoni who is being hailed as some great whiteball captain was in 2011 finals for one reason and 2007 win for one reason, Misbah the choker.As saying goes it is better to be lucky than good.Dhoni was lucky.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Do you have anyone better than Rahul. How can you blame Pant's injury on Rahul.

 

Jadeja was not injured in 2019 but did not play in all matches.If I am not wrong he played only one match that too it was semifinal.

 

Rohit will still walk into my playing eleven in world cup.He is too great for to be left out that to in Indian conditions.He is least of the issues.

 

Problem which has been plauging India cricket is lack of multi dimensional players .But people expected miracles from Kohli and Rohit to carry the team .

 

Dhoni who is being hailed as some great whiteball captain was in 2011 finals for one reason and 2007 win for one reason, Misbah the choker.As saying goes it is better to be lucky than good.Dhoni was lucky.

 

I'm not blaming Pant's injury on Rahul. But it basically secured his spot as WK. We haven't tried anyone else that much.I'd still have Kishan.

 

Jaddu was not playing as we played both Chahal and Kuldeep. Even then he contributed as a sub. Played v SL and one other game and did well IIRC. 

 

Rohit is a great but as of now either he is injured or making 30-40s. Maybe more suited to middle order now.

 

Gill has also done well recently. Iyer walks into the team. So they are not expected to do everything.

 

Luck comes when you do your part well. You can't keep making same mistakes and blame it on luck.

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Need foreign coaches. And each one should be separately appointed. Head coach shouldn't bring his 'team'. Each one should be on merit.

Bring back Team director as well... A independent person who monitors all this. 

BCCI needs to stop being greedy & leave marketing & PR machinery away from players...  And stop giving extra importance to IPL but rather improve domestic cricket.  A foreign coach for A sides/U19 as well is needed. 

[express bowling]

50 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How was Kohli not good whiteball captain and who was better than him?

 

Kohli hasn't won any trophy as either ODI captain or T20I captain or IPL captain despite many many attempts.

 

Who is better than him as ODI and T20I captain can be found out only by trying new captains. 

 

 

50 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Why not make Bharat Arun the head coach then? there was no need to get Dravid as a coach.

 

Why is guy Arun not getting invloved with Indian cricket? He could at NCA working with fast bowlers.

 

Arun had signed an IPL contract and there would be conflict of interest if ge continued as bowling coach. 

 

He should be coaxed to come back as Team India's bowling coach provided he gives up his IPL stint. 

Edited August 2, 2023 by express bowling

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

He's been bad and should go after WC unless we do well there.

 

However at the moment he is the scapegoat for everything wrong in Indian cricket. 

 

If they remove him but keep Rohit as  skipper and current selection committee etc,nothing much will change.

 

An overhaul is needed starting with kicking out older non performers.

Combination of two guys is needed. Stephen Fleming and MSD good example. Or the captain has to be like Warne who never believed in coaching.

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Combination of two guys is needed. Stephen Fleming and MSD good example. Or the captain has to be like Warne who never believed in coaching.

IPL is useless barometer. Rohit is not as great as made out to be based on IPL.

 

CSK is run by Dhoni only. Fleming couldn't do anything when Jaddu was captain.Coach's scope is lesser than captain.

 

Virat-Dravid probably would have made a good combo. 

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Kohli hasn't won any trophy as either ODI captain or T20I captain or IPL captain despite many many attempts.

 

Who is better than him as ODI and T20I captain can be found out only by trying new captains. 

 

 

 

Arun had signed an IPL contract and there would be conflict of interest if ge continued as bowling coach. 

 

He should be coaxed to come back as Team India's bowling coach provided he gives up his IPL stint. 

Kohli won't win even in 100 years. In shorter format decision making, quick thinking is critical. In Tests you can work your way slowly to ascendancy. It suits Kohli better. He also doesn't build a unit where multiple guys can step up. Top heavy with RCB. Top heavy with India. Pant or Iyer should be given a chance and see how they go. Winning tournaments require several decision going your way. Call it luck or intuition. When MSD tossed the ball to Ishant in CT final when we were in hopeless situation I thought what the hell is he doing. Bang bang two wickets. MSD also made.mistakes like trying to get one extra over from yuvi and paying price for it. But he could win crunch moments somehow.

[putrevus]

48 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Kohli hasn't won any trophy as either ODI captain or T20I captain or IPL captain despite many many attempts.

 

Who is better than him as ODI and T20I captain can be found out only by trying new captains. 

 

 

 

Arun had signed an IPL contract and there would be conflict of interest if ge continued as bowling coach. 

 

He should be coaxed to come back as Team India's bowling coach provided he gives up his IPL stint. 

Kohli captained two ICC tournaments in 50 over, reached semis and finals in both of them. He has highest winning percenatge of any Indian captain in odis.

 

He captained one world t20, he lost two matches there.Not saying he should be there permanently.

 

 

Who cares about IPL. IPl is not measure about anything.Rohit Sharma won five IPLs , we all are seeing how wonderful captain he has been in all formats.

 

All people invloved with Indian cricket better seperate IPL with international cricket.

 

60 age limit should not for coaches that rule is simply written by a guy who has never played cricket in his life or has any understanding about the game.

[putrevus]

43 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Kohli won't win even in 100 years. In shorter format decision making, quick thinking is critical. In Tests you can work your way slowly to ascendancy. It suits Kohli better. He also doesn't build a unit where multiple guys can step up. Top heavy with RCB. Top heavy with India. Pant or Iyer should be given a chance and see how they go. Winning tournaments require several decision going your way. Call it luck or intuition. When MSD tossed the ball to Ishant in CT final when we were in hopeless situation I thought what the hell is he doing. Bang bang two wickets. MSD also made.mistakes like trying to get one extra over from yuvi and paying price for it. But he could win crunch moments somehow.

Why is building a team his responsbility. is he a selector, that is the stupidest argument.Is he captain or scout who goes and scouts the players for his team.

[vvvslaxman]

47 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Why is building a team his responsbility. is he a selector, that is the stupidest argument.Is he captain or scout who goes and scouts the players for his team.

It is his quintessential responsibility. True since Alan Border, Clive Lloyd days.

[Laaloo]

I hate this meek loser more than sachin did when he was on 194*

[tapandrun]

Ind's  team Fielding is amongst the poorest in intnl cricket, fitness is questionable, bowling which was once not long back ago considered as amongst the best even the bench was top of the line in their role is now like a club level bowling unit where the fastest bowler is a parttime allrounder.

 

Had it been an Overseas coach Ind cric fans and media would have labeled it as a conspiracy and hidden agenda.  

 

Its not about losing but how is the team losing it, they look like a team with no direction with odd selection, onfield confidence is low. The look like a team which is trying to rebuild after the departure of greats but the reality is these are same tried and failed bunch of player making back-door entries.

 

KL plays only IPLs and wcs and remains unfit and then directly plays wcs, Test VC` is so called test specialist with sub 40 avg.

[wazza]

12 hours ago, putrevus said:

Do you have anyone better than Rahul. How can you blame Pant's injury on Rahul.

 

Jadeja was not injured in 2019 but did not play in all matches.If I am not wrong he played only one match that too it was semifinal.

 

Rohit will still walk into my playing eleven in world cup.He is too great for to be left out that to in Indian conditions.He is least of the issues.

 

Problem which has been plauging India cricket is lack of multi dimensional players .But people expected miracles from Kohli and Rohit to carry the team .

 

Dhoni who is being hailed as some great whiteball captain was in 2011 finals for one reason and 2007 win for one reason, Misbah the choker.As saying goes it is better to be lucky than good.Dhoni was lucky.

So was England. They got lucky to win WC.

[express bowling]

19 hours ago, putrevus said:

Kohli captained two ICC tournaments in 50 over, reached semis and finals in both of them. He has highest winning percenatge of any Indian captain in odis.

 

He captained one world t20, he lost two matches there.Not saying he should be there permanently.

 

There are only 5 or 6 good to decent teams in any ICC tournament. 

 

In this scenario, semifinal loss means outright failure and loss in the final means an ok outing but not a good one. 

 

Not being able to win even 1 of the 3 ICC white ball tournaments as captain means inadequate results.

 

 

 

19 hours ago, putrevus said:

 

Who cares about IPL. IPl is not measure about anything.Rohit Sharma won five IPLs , we all are seeing how wonderful captain he has been in all formats.

 

All people invloved with Indian cricket better seperate IPL with international cricket.

 

IPL win as captain may not mean he is good but if anyone is not able to do even that after so many attempts means white ball captaincy is not for him. 

 

 

19 hours ago, putrevus said:

 

60 age limit should not for coaches that rule is simply written by a guy who has never played cricket in his life or has any understanding about the game.

 

I think the age limit should be raised to 70 but as long it exists, can't blame individuals for adhering to it. 

Edited August 3, 2023 by express bowling

[Norman]

14 hours ago, putrevus said:

How was Kohli not good whiteball captain and who was better than him?

 

13 hours ago, putrevus said:

Why is building a team his responsbility. is he a selector

 

 

Ffs , what is up these stupid arsed questions of yours? Gives me major second hand embarassment.

 

You might as well go ahead and ask "why is scoring runs his responsibility, is he the only batter" lol..