There was no debate on No.4 and 5. We had decided 18 months ago only who were the contenders for that spot - Rahul Dravid

[jalebi_bhai]

12 hours ago, Majestic said:

He never said that. He said in his interview that those were the three contenders for those two spots and it was unfortunate that all three got injured in a span of 2 months and they were not even small injuries but really major injuries. Link is shared, you can view that, not sure if it's working though.

 

There is just one problem with this story, Pant was discarded from the white ball setup even before he got injured.

 

He was not in the final ODI squad vs Ban. Was going to 'rehabilitate' at NCA, work on his knees.

 

KL has a very strong lobby backing him atm.

[BacktoCricaddict]

To me, it is a problem that, 18 - 19 months prior to an LOI tournament, certain players are ordained to play at specific spots.  Form matters in LOIs, and form could disappear 6 months prior and then what?  Or as in this case, recovery from injury is slow? 

 

There is of course a delicate balance between picking the most-capable vs the most-in-form guys and getting the timing right, but that's why selectors and RSD are paid the big bucks.

[Sandz]

Clearly, they have no plan B or C, just a very limited plan A, It’s either plan A or bust. 

[raki05]

Lol at consistent Rahul. He was consistent and playing at high sr before t20 wc and we saw how he shat in pant in 2021 and 2022 wc. The guy is sure shot failure once the chase is on. If Dravid is putting his bet on Rahul , its more of a failure in Dravid’s foresight as Rahul will do rahul’s thing . Also it just show we never learn from past experience i could see few mates here as well supporting Rahul’s case based on his performance in low pressure games , can someone tell how it os different from t20 biletral bullying and we all saw how he performed when wt20 came. 

[vvvslaxman]

25 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Lol at consistent Rahul. He was consistent and playing at high sr before t20 wc and we saw how he shat in pant in 2021 and 2022 wc. The guy is sure shot failure once the chase is on. If Dravid is putting his bet on Rahul , its more of a failure in Dravid’s foresight as Rahul will do rahul’s thing . Also it just show we never learn from past experience i could see few mates here as well supporting Rahul’s case based on his performance in low pressure games , can someone tell how it os different from t20 biletral bullying and we all saw how he performed when wt20 came. 

 

Dravid wants to hit the rock bottom like 2007

[nevada]

8 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

To me, it is a problem that, 18 - 19 months prior to an LOI tournament, certain players are ordained to play at specific spots.  Form matters in LOIs, and form could disappear 6 months prior and then what?  Or as in this case, recovery from injury is slow? 

 

There is of course a delicate balance between picking the most-capable vs the most-in-form guys and getting the timing right, but that's why selectors and RSD are paid the big bucks.

Very true. First of all, selectors, coach, and experts need to stop putting the world cup on a pedestal. The Chappell era hangover of "Vision WC" is leading us down the wrong path. Just pick the best players on present form at the time of the world cup. There's no need to complicate things. 

[Vk1]

lot of discussion on batting.. I don't think it would be a problem.. concern is our bowling.. even in 2019 semis vs NZ or CT17 vs Pak our bowlers gave away far too many runs to chase.. our T20 team has batting issues for sure but not odi batting unit. 

[Frustrated]

8 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

lot of discussion on batting.. I don't think it would be a problem.. concern is our bowling.. even in 2019 semis vs NZ or CT17 vs Pak our bowlers gave away far too many runs to chase.. our T20 team has batting issues for sure but not odi batting unit. 

We could not chase a modest total (260) against Aus at home with a full strength side in march this year.   And lost the series.  (Iyer was the only batsman missing. Otherwise it was a full strength side).   And this despite a decent opening stand of 60.   Goes to show how unreliable our MO and lower MO is.  Dandya and Frauduja do not inspire any confidence/stability even in home conditions against quality opponents.    

[Majestic]

20 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

 

There is just one problem with this story, Pant was discarded from the white ball setup even before he got injured.

 

He was not in the final ODI squad vs Ban. Was going to 'rehabilitate' at NCA, work on his knees.

 

KL has a very strong lobby backing him atm.

So, if they didn't selected Pant for that series, this means he was discarded for ODI World Cup? What logic is this?

 

Pant flopped in New Zealand series prior to that while Iyer and Rahul had more performances so they went with them for the BD series. This didn't mean Pant won't have been picked in any of the further series.

[Vk1]

2 hours ago, Frustrated said:

We could not chase a modest total (260) against Aus at home with a full strength side in march this year.   And lost the series.  (Iyer was the only batsman missing. Otherwise it was a full strength side).   And this despite a decent opening stand of 60.   Goes to show how unreliable our MO and lower MO is.  Dandya and Frauduja do not inspire any confidence/stability even in home conditions against quality opponents.    

I am hoping that its an aberration.. knowing that likes of Bumrah/Siraj don't turn up on big games and not much of hopes on pandya/kuldeep/jadeja I would be worried about chasing.. 

[Lord]

On 8/30/2023 at 12:23 PM, jalebi_bhai said:

 

There is just one problem with this story, Pant was discarded from the white ball setup even before he got injured.

 

He was not in the final ODI squad vs Ban. Was going to 'rehabilitate' at NCA, work on his knees.

 

KL has a very strong lobby backing him atm.

 

Was playing non stop till then. It was seen as a rest.

[Lord]

On 8/30/2023 at 8:16 PM, raki05 said:

Lol at consistent Rahul. He was consistent and playing at high sr before t20 wc and we saw how he shat in pant in 2021 and 2022 wc. The guy is sure shot failure once the chase is on. If Dravid is putting his bet on Rahul , its more of a failure in Dravid’s foresight as Rahul will do rahul’s thing . Also it just show we never learn from past experience i could see few mates here as well supporting Rahul’s case based on his performance in low pressure games , can someone tell how it os different from t20 biletral bullying and we all saw how he performed when wt20 came. 

 

Different formats. Rahul is fine in ODIs in middle order. Even in WC 2019 He was decent.

[Lord]

15 hours ago, Vk1 said:

lot of discussion on batting.. I don't think it would be a problem.. concern is our bowling.. even in 2019 semis vs NZ or CT17 vs Pak our bowlers gave away far too many runs to chase.. our T20 team has batting issues for sure but not odi batting unit. 

 

2019 we were chasing 240. Hows that 'far too many runs' in this age?

[BacktoCricaddict]

34 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Different formats. Rahul is fine in ODIs in middle order. Even in WC 2019 He was decent.

Good point. But he is just coming back from a major injury break (including surgery?). I would think he needs to prove that there is no skill drop-off and stamina drop-off in match-situations before being thrown into the deep end again.

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Good point. But he is just coming back from a major injury break (including surgery?). I would think he needs to prove that there is no skill drop-off and stamina drop-off in match-situations before being thrown into the deep end again.

yes but other option Pant is also not there. Don't think we can rely on Kishan or Samson too.

[raki05]

39 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Different formats. Rahul is fine in ODIs in middle order. Even in WC 2019 He was decent.

In wc 19 he was opening and not playing in mo. I agree he was decent while opening ,but crunch game came and it was same kela what we have seen in wt20. With Rahul problem is ,the way he play in crucial matches or in pressure situations  you can see his body language and say he is gonna get out and it has nothing to do with he cant play certain bowl or bowler rathe it has more to do with his body language and mental toughness.

[Lord]

11 minutes ago, raki05 said:

In wc 19 he was opening and not playing in mo. I agree he was decent while opening ,but crunch game came and it was same kela what we have seen in wt20. With Rahul problem is ,the way he play in crucial matches or in pressure situations  you can see his body language and say he is gonna get out and it has nothing to do with he cant play certain bowl or bowler rathe it has more to do with his body language and mental toughness.

 

Crunch game mein even Rohit and Kohli failed.

 

He played in MO till Dhawan was opening and did well.

[AKane]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

He played in MO till Dhawan was opening and did well.

Dhawan played 2 games in CWC 2019. In those two matches Rahul scored 26 and 11 n.o. 

[vvvslaxman]

5 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Different formats. Rahul is fine in ODIs in middle order. Even in WC 2019 He was decent.

 

His problem is recent strike strike rate.  Even on roads he had strike rates like 75 to 80. His career strike rate in the MO is 94. But in the last 2 years 82 strike rate in MO. In the last 2 years overall strike rate is mere 78.  Only two guys who are worse than him was Dhawan with 74 Jaddu with 59. No other specialist batsman has such a poor strike rate.  

Gill 105

Iyer 92

Kohli 101

Dhawan 74

Kishan 105

Rohit 109

KL Rahul 78

SKY 96

Pandya 98

Samson 104

Pant 96

Sundar 85

Axar 108

 

[raki05]

10 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Crunch game mein even Rohit and Kohli failed.

 

He played in MO till Dhawan was opening and did well.

Burt Rohit and Kohli dont have mental block. Left hand fast bowlers are nemesis for kohli and rohit. With Rhul left hand, tight hand doesn’t matter. Have you seen him batting against nassem shah in wc gamee or asia cup game. He was playing like a scared  kitten just by the sight of pak bowlers he becomes submissive.

Edited September 1, 2023 by raki05