Do NZ have the best match ups against India ? IndiaVsNZ Dharamshala - Prematch Discussion Thread.

[Number]

Left arm pacer threat - Boult - We will play him first time since 2019 SF.

 

Very capable seam bowler from other end - Matt Henry - Rohit Virat Rahul will play him first time since 2019 SF.

 

Left arm spinner threat - Mitchell Santner who is really tough to milk in middle overs. Off all the left arm spinners, he usually ties our batsmen the most from what I have seen.

 

Conway, Kane and Latham are extremely good players of spin in their middle order who can milk our spinners. So our spin threat gets nullified. We can catch any other team in these overs but these guys are most likely to get away.

 

Since Pandya is not playing we can't play Ashwin as 3rd spinner, who I thought could be useful against Latham and Conway. 

 

 

 

[nitinbwj]

Conway got fooled by a straighter one from Rashid. Not convinced that he is that good a spin player. Afg had them on the mat and had they taken their chances,they would have restricted them to 240-240. Not saying that they would have won as NZ bowling is breathing fire probably the best in this WC. We need to score 270 batting first and hope to chase under 260 if they bat first. Latham,Santner,Boult,Henry all play well against us. 

[nitinbwj]

Where do we play them in case there is Ind-NZ semifinal ?

[Number]

3 minutes ago, nitinbwj said:

Where do we play them in case there is Ind-NZ semifinal ?

Wankhede. 

[Number]

8 minutes ago, nitinbwj said:

Conway got fooled by a straighter one from Rashid. Not convinced that he is that good a spin player. Afg had them on the mat and had they taken their chances,they would have restricted them to 240-240. Not saying that they would have won as NZ bowling is breathing fire probably the best in this WC. We need to score 270 batting first and hope to chase under 260 if they bat first. Latham,Santner,Boult,Henry all play well against us. 

I think Mujeeb got Conway. But Mujeeb is a very threatening bowler with the new ball. Conway scored well against us in the ODI series here. His record at Chepauk is also good in IPL. He is one of the best all format batsmen going around. 

Can be a big threat for us.

[rageaddict]

9 minutes ago, nitinbwj said:

Where do we play them in case there is Ind-NZ semifinal ?

 

India will play it's Semi Final match at Wankhede irrespective of its position in the points table, however if the opponent is Pakistan then the Semi Final will be shifted to Kolkata .

 

 

[AuxiliA]

24 minutes ago, nitinbwj said:

Where do we play them in case there is Ind-NZ semifinal ?

 

Both Ind-NZ will most likely finish in the top 2, so there won't be a SF faceoff. 

 

 

[cowboysfan]

I want Ashwin to replace Hardik and Shami to replace Hardik,it will e a bowlers match and we have to bowl them out cheaply to win.however think they will bring in SKY  and replace Shardul with Shami but it will be extrmely risky with just 5 bowlers.

[SRT100]

4 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

I want Ashwin to replace Hardik and Shami to replace Hardik,it will e a bowlers match and we have to bowl them out cheaply to win.however think they will bring in SKY  and replace Shardul with Shami but it will be extrmely risky with just 5 bowlers.

We have Kohli who has shown he can bowl.

Edited October 20, 2023 by SRT100

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, Number said:

Left arm pacer threat - Boult - We will play him first time since 2019 SF.

 

Very capable seam bowler from other end - Matt Henry - Rohit Virat Rahul will play him first time since 2019 SF.

 

Left arm spinner threat - Mitchell Santner who is really tough to milk in middle overs. Off all the left arm spinners, he usually ties our batsmen the most from what I have seen.

 

Conway, Kane and Latham are extremely good players of spin in their middle order who can milk our spinners. So our spin threat gets nullified. We can catch any other team in these overs but these guys are most likely to get away.

 

Since Pandya is not playing we can't play Ashwin as 3rd spinner, who I thought could be useful against Latham and Conway. 

 

 

 

Kane and Latham can be choked. Key is not to hunt for wickets but to make them try and accelerate by holding defensive lengths. The bigger threat is Will Young/Daryl Mitchell vs spin. They can hit over the top and Kuldeep may be a bit vulnerable against them.

 

Thing is NZ are weak against pace and that is not exposed enough.  They are underrated against spin but there is a perception that they play pace better than spin. 

 

Since 2017, against RA pace(Top 6 sides since BD, SL have no pace)

 

KW strikes at 74

Glenn Phillips averages 47 and SR of 87

Conway averages 34 and strikes at 90

Ravindra averages 46 and strikes at 158( smaller sample)

 

 

 

Against off spin(including BD and SL)

 

Conway - 183/80

Young - 72/90

Phillips - 67/111

Latham - 62/79

Chapman - 34/165

Ravindra - 32/118

Mitchell - 35/92

Williamson - 47/75

Santner - 93/74

 

There's no weakness against off-spin even for their LHB's in that Top 8.  They can build through the middle and attack offspin with Philips and Chapman later.

 

There's no case for Ashwin here. Need to hit them with 3 fast bowlers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nitinbwj]

Pandya has been officially ruled out of the NZ game. He will travel straight to Lucknow to prepare for Eng match 

[deepdynamo]

With Hardik ruled out,  I will play this team in Dharmashala

Rohit

Gill

Kohli

Iyer

Rahul

Sky
Jadeja
Kuldeep
Shami

Siraj
Bumrah

[Laaloo]

Edited

Edited October 20, 2023 by Laaloo

[BacktoCricaddict]

If RGS wins the toss, should he bat or field? 

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

If RGS wins the toss, should he bat or field? 

If we bat first..bowkers could face due later..

if we bat 2nd..we will face swinging Boult under lights..

Pick ur poison..haha

[Need4Speed]

Rachin Ravindra is providing good depth to NZ on paper and as well as in the ground.

Him coming at 1st down has really boosted their batting depth and ofc he is a decent 5th bowler too..esp in spinning wkts.

Glenn Philips bowls few overs well too.

 

India need to target them.

Edited October 20, 2023 by Need4Speed

[bowl_out]

With Pandya out, I expect two changes

 

Ashwin for Thakur

SKY for Pandya

 

Well have only 5 bowlers, but we'll have to risk that given the in-form opposition and bolster our batting with SKY

[Teengunalagaan]

7 hours ago, rageaddict said:

 

India will play it's Semi Final match at Wankhede irrespective of its position in the points table, however if the opponent is Pakistan then the Semi Final will be shifted to Kolkata .

 

 

why should the semi venue be changed based on the opposition ? This does not make sense, what is the logic behind this 

[Lord]

2 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

If we bat first..bowkers could face due later..

if we bat 2nd..we will face swinging Boult under lights..

Pick ur poison..haha

 

There won't be dew in Dharamsala

[Lord]

1 hour ago, Teengunalagaan said:

why should the semi venue be changed based on the opposition ? This does not make sense, what is the logic behind this 

 

logic is this