This is the worst Pakistani side i have ever seen.

[neel roy]

Problem with Pakistan is half these players ( internal sources) reads pakpassion.. enough said

[Mariyam]

On 10/23/2023 at 9:53 PM, the don said:

What an uninspiring unit. Spinners worse than club level. Clown captain. O IQ t20 pace bowlers. Done following this ODI team.

Supporting Southafrica/Aus for the tournament now.

Why them?

 

Not SL or NZ?

[Vk1]

Pak should play B team against minnows - SL/WI/BD/Afg etc.. include 2 or 3 regulars. Have bigger goals, try to do well in Aus/SA... we cannot afford a weak Pak in cricket. NZ is likely to go down after current crop goes.. Aus is no where like before, SA is the new unpredictable team, Eng we never know.. SL/WI are beyond redemption..great for us but bad days ahead for competitive cricket..

[poyzzplaidwell]

15 hours ago, neel roy said:

Problem with Pakistan is half these players ( internal sources) reads pakpassion.. enough said

lol. hopefully they keep on reading. 

[User30786]

15 hours ago, neel roy said:

Problem with Pakistan is half these players ( internal sources) reads pakpassion.. enough said

Not only that, try to carefully listen what Ramiz says in commentary. I believe he reads from Pakpassion and says the same on mic. lmao

[the don]

19 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Why them?

 

Not SL or NZ?

Srilanka ko support ker kay main aur gham kiun lay loon zindagi main .They are even worse.

[the don]

12 hours ago, Vk1 said:

Pak should play B team against minnows - SL/WI/BD/Afg etc.. include 2 or 3 regulars. Have bigger goals, try to do well in Aus/SA... we cannot afford a weak Pak in cricket. NZ is likely to go down after current crop goes.. Aus is no where like before, SA is the new unpredictable team, Eng we never know.. SL/WI are beyond redemption..great for us but bad days ahead for competitive cricket..

I want pak to improve in test cricket. In T20 they will always be there and there about because of the kind of local cricket they play. Need a stronger system for test and ODI’s

[bsriharsha]

This is what happens when all the other teams use bilaterals ODI to expand squad depth , try out new players.... Pakistan use them for stat padding and then to claim a ranking which has no meaning at all. 

 

Insecurity does that to people , teams and countries 

[bsriharsha]

7 hours ago, User30786 said:

Not only that, try to carefully listen what Ramiz says in commentary. I believe he reads from Pakpassion and says the same on mic. lmao

Entire generations have been bred on the lie that there is talunt in Pakistan. 

[sugumarrising]

Pakistan has the greatest talent in the cricketing world, you keep on hearing this from their former players.

Edited October 25, 2023 by sugumarrising

[neel roy]

43 minutes ago, bsriharsha said:

This is what happens when all the other teams use bilaterals ODI to expand squad depth , try out new players.... Pakistan use them for stat padding and then to claim a ranking which has no meaning at all. 

 

Insecurity does that to people , teams and countries 

 

I disagree..they do it because they know if they dont, they ll lose those bilaterals as well and then more tamasha.. they play safe.. they ll rather face tamasha once in 4 years than face every 3 months.. simple

Edited October 25, 2023 by neel roy

[neel roy]

49 minutes ago, the don said:

I want pak to improve in test cricket. In T20 they will always be there and there about because of the kind of local cricket they play. Need a stronger system for test and ODI’s

They lost 3-0 at home to England, 1-0 to Australia and just about drew ( last wicket saved their asses) against NZ.. mmm definitely C- . Needs Improvement.. 

[putrevus]

This notion most Pakistani fans have is that there are some great players who have not been selected due to non cricketing reason other wise Pakistan has huge talent pool and sadly this disease is catching up with Indian fans.

 

This is best they have to offer and it stinks. Fluky wins in some t20s does not change the fact there is not much talent to choose from there.

 

[rollingstoned]

On 10/24/2023 at 2:30 AM, Nikhil_cric said:

Gotta trust List A stats and your best List A performers if you need to get better. 

 

What both England and Pakistan have shown is that you cannot select ODI teams based on T20/Test performances .

 

The 50 over format has its own rhythm and needs to be respected as such.

 

Joe Root simply has no performances in 50 over cricket since previous World Cup. Neither does Harry Brook or Woakes or Curran or Moeen Ali.   

 

They should have backed James Vince and Sam Billings .

 

Similarly, Pakistan should have backed Saim Ayub , Tayyab Tahir ahead of Saud Shakeel and invested for a long time in Usama Mir instead of throwing him in last moment when nothing suggested that Shadab is a 50 overs spinner.

 

IND/SA/OZ/NZ  have a core group of players who have either performed in bilateral ODI's or at least have List A numbers and that does make a difference.

 

 

Would you say that Pakistan is repudiating your theory on sacrificing spinners for batting depth in ODIs considering how they have gone and their lack of wicket taking threat in the middle overs is compounding their issues?

[neel roy]

Pakistan had the best run up after Kiwis in this world .. Netherlands, Srilanka, India,Aus,Afghanistan..India had to play Aus, Afghanistan, Pak, Bangladesh, NZ - thats 3 of the top 5 teams in the world as per icc rankings.. and log phir bhi chillate rehte hai..

 

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

6 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

Would you say that Pakistan is repudiating your theory on sacrificing spinners for batting depth in ODIs considering how they have gone and their lack of wicket taking threat in the middle overs is compounding their issues?

I would say that they are not repudiating that theory at all!

 

 

Pakistan is a perfect example of a team that has overrated their absolute minnow level bowling - Shaheen and Hasan apart - and are playing bowling allrounders /bowlers  who offer nothing. 

 

The way their spinners are bowling , they should back Agha to come back in at 6, Iftikhar at 7, Shadab at 8 and then play 3 quicks .

 

They should just back Agha, Iftikhar and Shadab to bowl 20 overs. Maybe even Saud to bowl some SLA.

 

Of course, they may still lose because they are up against teams that are simply of a higher standard. 

 

But at this point, it's clear that the batting does not absolutely suck unlike their bowling.  

 

Might as well strengthen that and get 20-25 extra runs 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

 

[rollingstoned]

4 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I would say that they are not repudiating that theory at all!

 

 

Pakistan is a perfect example of a team that has overrated their absolute minnow level bowling - Shaheen and Hasan apart - and are playing bowling allrounders /bowlers  who offer nothing. 

 

The way their spinners are bowling , they should back Agha to come back in at 6, Iftikhar at 7, Shadab at 8 and then play 3 quicks .

 

They should just back Agha, Iftikhar and Shadab to bowl 20 overs. Maybe even Saud to bowl some SLA.

 

Of course, they may still lose because they are up against teams that are simply of a higher standard. 

 

But at this point, it's clear that the batting does not absolutely suck unlike their bowling.  

 

Might as well strengthen that and get 20-25 extra runs 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They can play these makeshift spinners and get away with them only if they had a gun new ball attack which was consistently ensuring teams have lost at least 3 wickets by the time they reach 100 runs. When that is not the case, they are inevitably in trouble because teams can milk these spinners without taking many risks at 6-7 rpo for 20 overs. 

[vvvslaxman]

14 hours ago, putrevus said:

This notion most Pakistani fans have is that there are some great players who have not been selected due to non cricketing reason other wise Pakistan has huge talent pool and sadly this disease is catching up with Indian fans.

 

This is best they have to offer and it stinks. Fluky wins in some t20s does not change the fact there is not much talent to choose from there.

 

 

Talent pool my a** lol Look at the players India left out.  Bishnoi, Bhuvi, Prasidh, Dhawan,  Sundar,  Samson. All these guys will walk into their side.

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, rollingstoned said:

They can play these makeshift spinners and get away with them only if they had a gun new ball attack which was consistently ensuring teams have lost at least 3 wickets by the time they reach 100 runs. When that is not the case, they are inevitably in trouble because teams can milk these spinners without taking many risks at 6-7 rpo for 20 overs. 

I agree but based on the evidence , none of their bowlers -Shaheen and Hasan apart - look better than part timers anyway. Iftikhar is outbowling their so called bowlers. 

 

Might as well look to bat aggressively with the extra batter. Relatively speaking, batting is their stronger suit .

[Nikhil_cric]

15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Talent pool my a** lol Look at the players India left out.  Bishnoi, Bhuvi, Prasidh, Dhawan,  Sundar,  Samson. All these guys will walk into their side.

Not sure about current Dhawan and Bishnoi in ODIs but the rest would easily make it to their first XI.

 

And then there's Yashaswi and Ruturaj etc.