Digest this: India vs. Australia - Just 2 bad games - but such an astonishing difference in WC legacy

[rangeelaraja]

2003 WC final

2023 WC final

 

Aus beats India in both.  If India had their BEST days on those 2 days.

 

Aus would have 2 less trophies ( 6-2 = 4) and India would have 2 more trophies ( 2+2 = 4 )

 

India and Aus would have had parity 4-4 with WC titles. 

 

And nobody would talk about Aus so called greatness anymore.

 

Just 2 bad games - and we look so pedestrian in comparison - and it will take decades to bridge the 6-2 gap if it ever happens in our lifetime.

 

 

[bowl_out]

But those were not even remotely close games. Aus were clear winners from the beginning of the game.

 

I'd maybe say that about MI in IPL. They won two games with 1-run margins that could have gone either way. With 3 trophies (just one more than KKR), they wouldn't be seen the same way as they are with five trophies

[rangeelaraja]

6 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

But those were not even remotely close games. Aus were clear winners from the beginning of the game.

 

 

 

You are missing the whole point.

 

We are as much better in 2023 in India compared to Aus ( we crushed everybody before the finals including Aus )  .........as Aus was better than us in 2003 in SA ( when they beat us both in group game and final )

 

Yet we lost both the final games. 

 

We could not beat a stronger  ( than us ) Aus side in 2003 nor weaker ( than us )  Aus side in 2023.

 

 

 

 

 

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

champions win the important games. others win useless bilaterals and league games.

 

[Bigg Brother]

They shat in their pants in those 2 games and that's why this big difference....

[Texan]

To be honest, this loss hurts more. We were playing better than Aus having won all our games comfortably. In 2003, Aus were a much better team, but Aus of today is not that good of a team. Yet, they played their best when it counted the most. 

[badmash]

1 hour ago, rangeelaraja said:

2003 WC final

2023 WC final

 

Aus beats India in both.  If India had their BEST days on those 2 days.

 

Aus would have 2 less trophies ( 6-2 = 4) and India would have 2 more trophies ( 2+2 = 4 )

 

India and Aus would have had parity 4-4 with WC titles. 

 

And nobody would talk about Aus so called greatness anymore.

 

Just 2 bad games - and we look so pedestrian in comparison - and it will take decades to bridge the 6-2 gap if it ever happens in our lifetime.

 

 

Aus was favourites in 2003

 

In 2023 India were only favourites due to home conditions, but us mein bhi har gaye lmaoooooo

[cricketfan28]

done by dew in 2023.

[MediumPacer]

They would win every time and Australians are reaching almost mystical levels in finals, they find a way and others falter.Good thing is no one is accusing icc of fixing lol.

[R!TTER]

2003 was peak Oz - yes their best ever side with WR 21 wins in a row over 3 *ing continents! It's not even close

[vvvslaxman]

India losing to that OZ team was no mystery. But this INdian team losing to this OZ team will forever remain a mystery. Even Afghanistan batsmen thrashed this Australian bowling attack. Suddenly we ended up hitting 5 fours in 40 overs. Epic choke job.

Edited November 20 by vvvslaxman

[LordPrabhzy]

That is why India are not a champion team- bakwaas bilteral khilalo, IPL khilalo, PR marketing advertisement karalo- No one will remember Indias dominant run to the final in 2003, 2015, 2019 and 2023. They ll remember who won the WCs those years ( england and Australia)

[neel roy]

I completely agree. And BCCI went an extra mile to give them favourable pitch and it boomeranged. Even a normal ahmedabad pitch not as dry would have seen score 300 plus. Just see over nos 30 to 50. The damm ball was not even reaching the bat.. who on earth created that hell hole of a pitch i have no freaking idea. Rahul dravids legacy will be remembered more for this match than 2003 final loss or 2007 exit. 

[vice]

You can also say Australia lost 2 games only this worldcup . First to India and then to South Africa.  They then beat both these teams in the semis and finals. Australia wasnt even at their best in this world cup though, still managed to win the cup .

 

Personally, I felt from the onset the toss was the biggest factor. Sure India should've planned their batting innings better but India's spinners had nothing in 2nd innings and no scoreboard pressure.

 

 

[bowl_out]

3 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

You are missing the whole point.

 

We are as much better in 2023 in India compared to Aus ( we crushed everybody before the finals including Aus )  .........as Aus was better than us in 2003 in SA ( when they beat us both in group game and final )

 

Yet we lost both the final games. 

 

We could not beat a stronger  ( than us ) Aus side in 2003 nor weaker ( than us )  Aus side in 2023.

 

 

Because we proved twice that we can't handle pressure on the big stage. Doesn't matter if you are a better team in lesser pressure situations, Aussies brought their A game to the finals in both instances, and were rightfully winners. 

[maniac]

In the last 10 years WI,SL and Pak all have a ICC trophy thanks to us. England should thank us too (Dhoni-Jadhav partnership), in fact Nzl was a joint winner technically due to us.Would have made SA world champs but too but while they didn’t choke this time; they still lost a great opportunity.

 

Sab ka saat, sab ka Vikas 

 

so giving Aussies 2 extra world cups is pretty low on the list.

[vvvslaxman]

About the topic.  way i see it Australia had 2 good games rather than India having 2 bad games. ANy other side we probably we would have won

[sensible-indian]

It looks close but it isn't.

 

When Aussies were in incredible form, they won 3 WCs without breaking a sweat (2003, 2007, 2015).

 

When they weren't at their best, they still won WCs (1987, 2023).

 

Then there was a 1999 WC where they were damn good but had to face major hurdles to win the cup.

 

Then there was a 1996 loss.

 

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India didn't have it's version of 2003, 2007 or even 2015.

 

2011 we had a damn good team (bowling was an issue and pulled us down)...and we had to face hurdles to win the cup.

 

2023 we should have won but we lost.

 

The legacy isn't just built on number of cups won but HOW they were achieved.

Edited November 20 by sensible-indian

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

It looks close but it isn't.

 

When Aussies were in incredible form, they won 3 WCs without breaking a sweat (2003, 2007, 2015).

 

When they weren't at their best, they still won WCs (1987, 2023).

 

Then there was a 1999 WC where they were damn good but had to face major hurdles to win the cup.

 

Then there was a 1996 loss.

 

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India didn't have it's version of 2003, 2007 or even 2015.

 

2011 we had a damn good team (bowling was an issue and pulled us down)...and we had to face hurdles to win the cup.

 

2023 we should have won but we lost.

 

The legacy isn't just built on number of cups but HOW they were got.

 

India should have destroyed this Aussie side whose bowling was below par right through bar Zampa. We even played Zampa well. We succumbed to this out of form bowling unit once Rohit got out.

[mani sha]

4 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

2003 WC final

2023 WC final

 

Aus beats India in both.  If India had their BEST days on those 2 days.

 

Aus would have 2 less trophies ( 6-2 = 4) and India would have 2 more trophies ( 2+2 = 4 )

 

India and Aus would have had parity 4-4 with WC titles. 

 

And nobody would talk about Aus so called greatness anymore.

 

Just 2 bad games - and we look so pedestrian in comparison - and it will take decades to bridge the 6-2 gap if it ever happens in our lifetime.

 

 

2003 - we lost it cos our bowlers panicked and our batsmen didn’t go about chasing methodically . It was a flat pitch and just needed 65 runs in first 10 overs and wickets in hand for last 15 - India was poor at chases then . Sehwag was the only positive 

 

2023 - we are superior than Aussie . We got dewed and usurped by toss. Side batting second would have won. Even Nepal might have won . 
 

our legacy is tarnished last 10 years cos of rat . He is chasing milestones , at best was an average batsman and players regressed under him . 
 

note we defeated Pak in all games recently , New Zealand in knockout and won Asia cup . Our stupid selectors kept kohli on when he should have been sacked after England World Cup