VVS Laxman never played an ODI world cup game

[Ultimate_Game]

5 hours ago, cricketfan28 said:

Mongia had ganguly backing .

 

Ganguly had the right approach in mind. He forced Dravid to start keeping wkts so team can have batting depth, backed youngsters (Yuvraj, Zaheer, Kaif, Mongia etc.), went for multi-dimensional cricketers, converted Sehwag to open etc. He had the right mindset, and Dhoni built on it by phasing out seniors, backing likes of Raina, Rohit, Kohli etc., preferred players who were multi-dimensional and forced batsmen to bowl more (Raina, Kedar Jadhav), and added depth by always playing with 7 batsmen.

 

We started regressing after Dhoni as Kohli preferred playing top heavy lineup similar to RCB, and Indian results mirrored RCB's. Rohit continued to do the same instead of picking players who could bowl part time.

[Vijy]

12 hours ago, Gollum said:

Yeah no need of Mongia in that team when Sachin, Viru, Ganguly, Yuvi all could bowl.

don't forget that even drawid was bowling a bit in that specific period

[Vijy]

12 hours ago, Gollum said:

VVS despite all limitations was in serious form in ODIs in 2003-04, he was scoring at a faster rate than Sachin, Yuvraj quite often in that period. Please never compare him to the talentless Dravid saar.

that was lax's best year. scored like a beast, relatively speaking, in aus ODIs

[aditipaliwal333]

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[putrevus]

2003 finals was very much winnable. Indian bowlers just laid an egg plus India was superior to Australia in many places.

 

After first innings no one was chasing the total. VVS was liability on the field and never had any aerial shots.

 

VVS played faster in test cricket than in Odis.

Edited September 6, 2024 by putrevus

[CoverDrive]

VVS did play crucial innings with a 100 in decider in ODI tour to Pakistan in 2004

Edited September 6, 2024 by CoverDrive

[R!TTER]

This is why he played that WC, the 150+ against a decentish Zim side but at home -

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
SR Tendulkar	23	22	5	743	113	43.70	876	84.81	2	3	1	78	6
R Dravid	33	29	5	991	109*	41.29	1419	69.83	1	7	0	77	2
V Sehwag	35	35	3	1321	126	41.28	1333	99.09	4	5	3	196	13
Yuvraj Singh	31	26	3	791	80*	34.39	959	82.48	0	8	1	82	9
SC Ganguly	37	35	1	1158	117*	34.05	1468	78.88	1	9	3	131	19
M Kaif	37	29	7	717	111*	32.59	916	78.27	1	3	2	54	4
D Mongia	28	28	3	754	159*	30.16	1016	74.21	1	2	3	85	5
VVS Laxman	22	22	1	623	99	29.66	891	69.92	0	5	0	56	0

 

 

In hindsight VVS would've been a better bet, but our issue was the bowling - no side could chase 350+ against that Oz team not the best WI team either, let alone India 

[New guy]

4 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

This is why he played that WC, the 150+ against a decentish Zim side but at home -

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
SR Tendulkar	23	22	5	743	113	43.70	876	84.81	2	3	1	78	6
R Dravid	33	29	5	991	109*	41.29	1419	69.83	1	7	0	77	2
V Sehwag	35	35	3	1321	126	41.28	1333	99.09	4	5	3	196	13
Yuvraj Singh	31	26	3	791	80*	34.39	959	82.48	0	8	1	82	9
SC Ganguly	37	35	1	1158	117*	34.05	1468	78.88	1	9	3	131	19
M Kaif	37	29	7	717	111*	32.59	916	78.27	1	3	2	54	4
D Mongia	28	28	3	754	159*	30.16	1016	74.21	1	2	3	85	5
VVS Laxman	22	22	1	623	99	29.66	891	69.92	0	5	0	56	0

 

 

In hindsight VVS would've been a better bet, but our issue was the bowling - no side could chase 350+ against that Oz team not the best WI team either, let alone India 

Dude no one has ever chased 275 plus in history of world cup or CT finals. 250+ has been  chased ONCE in world cups and CT finals. Even Zimbabwe bowlers would defend that score. Our bowlers failed us big time 

[R!TTER]

300 could've been chased if SRT stayed till 30th over & we had wickets in hand, but that was not to be. Our best bet would've always been to bat first but SCG chickened out seeing how we only mange 125 in the first game vs Oz 

[Gollum]

Lost the final at the toss. Batting first we may still have lost but contest would have been tight. 

 

Don't remember us chasing successfully against Aussies even once in ODIs from 1998 (Desert Storm) to 2007 (Murali Karthik MOTM game). All our wins against them in that 9-10 years period came batting first. They beat us in a TVS triseries final with bowling attack of Bracken, Brad Williams, Bichel, Clarke etc. 

Edited September 6, 2024 by Gollum

[Gollum]

Beyond India to beat Aussies in a WC final. Don't see it ever happening, no matter our superiority. 

[putrevus]

Ganguly talks as if he was fearless.But I have not seen more phattu guy as captain than Ganguly.

 

There was no reason to chase other than fearing similar batting collapse. Aussies had Mcgrath and Lee and bunch of nobodies.Jason Gillespie was out injured.

 

 

 

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

2003 finals was very much winnable.

 

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

India was superior to Australia in many places.

 

Hain?

[putrevus]

Just now, Suhaan said:

 

Hain?

Hain???

[Trichromatic]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

Ganguly talks as if he was fearless.But I have not seen more phattu guy as captain than Ganguly.

 

There was no reason to chase other than fearing similar batting collapse. Aussies had Mcgrath and Lee and bunch of nobodies.Jason Gillespie was out injured.

 

 

 

 

Australian bowling was weak in 2003 finals.

 

India was scoring at 6 RPO against them till 40th over.

 

They had to play out McGrath and bash others.

[Majestic]

Nothing would have happened. Sehwag himself managed to score 80 runs only because Aussies destroyed the game in first 15 overs and then they were just taking the game casually and bowled out India at 235.

[Lord]

On 5/29/2024 at 7:41 PM, Gollum said:

VVS despite all limitations was in serious form in ODIs in 2003-04, he was scoring at a faster rate than Sachin, Yuvraj quite often in that period. Please never compare him to the talentless Dravid saar.

 

huh? Dravid also played many quick innings. VVS was rubbish except that 2003-04 period in ODIs

[putrevus]

26 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Australian bowling was weak in 2003 finals.

 

India was scoring at 6 RPO against them till 40th over.

 

They had to play out McGrath and bash others.

That is easier said than done. Chasing that huge total has never been done in any knockout match.353 was playing role of two bowlers for Australia.

 

That is why they should  have batted first.They could have easily scored 300 against that bowling. 

[Lord]

4 hours ago, putrevus said:

Ganguly talks as if he was fearless.But I have not seen more phattu guy as captain than Ganguly.

 

There was no reason to chase other than fearing similar batting collapse. Aussies had Mcgrath and Lee and bunch of nobodies.Jason Gillespie was out injured.

 

 

 

 

Yes match was done there. Still remember Ponting tensed when Ganguly won the toss and then almost laughing when Ganguly announced the decision

[Lord]

4 hours ago, New guy said:

Dude no one has ever chased 275 plus in history of world cup or CT finals. 250+ has been  chased ONCE in world cups and CT finals. Even Zimbabwe bowlers would defend that score. Our bowlers failed us big time 

 

no we should have batted first.