Bowling Speed Of Curtly Ambrose and Courteny Walsh

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

I saw the 2001/02 Australia tour South Africa as a kid and even there McGrath was hitting 140 + and he was only a year younger.  Eddie Smith recorded him having clocked 143.7 kph there too .

 

Shane Bond also clocked 151.2 kph in a triseries in Australia and quite a few in the 148 kph region in the previous year so it's not implausible that he could clock upto 153 kph. 

 

Bond had stress fractures in his back after the 2003 World Cup that reduced his speeds 

 

Yeah..McGrath was hitting 140+ in the series you mentioned. He was very similar to Ambrose in his younger days.

 

What I mean to say is I don't feel all the bowlers suddenly started clocking higher speeds in the same WC altogether. It's too much of a coincidence. 

When I compare the 160k delivery of Shoaib with that 158k spell of Tait vs Pakistan...I see a significant amount of difference. 

[Nikhil_cric]

Just now, singhvivek141 said:

Yeah..McGrath was hitting 140+ in the series you mentioned. He was very similar to Ambrose in his younger days.

 

What I mean to say is I don't feel all the bowlers suddenly started clocking higher speeds in the same WC altogether. It's too much of a coincidence. 

When I compare the 160k delivery of Shoaib with that 158k spell of Tait vs Pakistan...I see a significant amount of difference. 

I agree. I do think Akhtar, Lee and Bond did bowl some of their quickest deliveries ever but the speeds were off by around 3-4 kph .

 

But those guys were pretty visually quick too.  Bond was rushing the Aussies for pace.  The likes of Martyn could not move their feet . Ganguly was bowled by a 153 bullet which I could see only on replay. Neither could Ganguly .

 

Then there was Lee to Atapattu and the ball with which Akhtar dismissed Tendulkar .

 

Some seriously quick deliveries in that World Cup. 

 

[Rightarmfast]

8 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Yeah..McGrath was hitting 140+ in the series you mentioned. He was very similar to Ambrose in his younger days.

 

What I mean to say is I don't feel all the bowlers suddenly started clocking higher speeds in the same WC altogether. It's too much of a coincidence. 

When I compare the 160k delivery of Shoaib with that 158k spell of Tait vs Pakistan...I see a significant amount of difference. 

As a matter of fact, the batsmen spoke about the pace. And they spoke about the Indians as to how quick they were and how hard they were hitting the bat. Dont think the speedguns were inflated. It was the world cup, that too in SA. Compare that with the slower bowlers, Wasim, Mahmood and all were bowling at their regular pace itself. How do you justify that?

[Scarface]

Ambrose/Walsh were mid-130s [trundlers? :-)] but with other accurate weapons ofcourse.

Used to think Rose was pretty quick while watching the 97 tour - but perhaps he pales in comparison with current tearaways

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/bowling-speeds-2-283875

[Rightarmfast]

14 minutes ago, Scarface said:

Ambrose/Walsh were mid-130s [trundlers? :-)] but with other accurate weapons ofcourse.

Used to think Rose was pretty quick while watching the 97 tour - but perhaps he pales in comparison with current tearaways

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/bowling-speeds-2-283875

I think Rose was around 145ish, and could sustain that pace for long 

[tapandrun]

Walsh was bit slower than Ambrose, posted that previously as well bowling flat out fast only came with Lee and Akthar before that bowlers would bowl some quick spells and some rubbish so their will be large variation of the speeds and also there were no speedometer that time for bowler to know if they are exactly how fast they were bowling.

 

Ambrose would be early 130s to mid 140s and Walsh would be late 120s to early 140s.

 

Merv Dillion kind of similar bowler the last of Ambrose, Walsh, Garner kind was 130 kmph - 140ish Kmph.

 

They extracted extra bounce from a v. difficult length so they were hard to play and score off.

Then came the era when bouncers were not allowed and flat out fast bowler were emerging  so WI cricket pivoted towards Edwards, Best and Tylor kind of bowler who were fast but not that tall and its been that way since.

When Roach debut he was v.quick too touching 150s in test then had back injury or something and came with reduced pace.

 

 

 

 

[Chaos]

Why talk about grand pas? They are 135-140 during peak and settled in 130s later

[Singh bling]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Yup, not saying Ambrose was a 145-150kph bowler...but he must be a 135-143 kph bowler in his prime and maybe a 130-137 bowler in his hey days.

 

Walsh maybe 132-138 in his prime, as he was around 125-132 in his hey days.

 

 

 

 

Walsh and Ambrose on their last leg bowling around 130

[zen]

Ambrose was not like Bond, Lee, & Akthar, bowlers who are known for their pace. Ambrose would bowl quick when needed where his fast bowl could be around 145. 
 

 

[singhvivek141]

10 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

 

 

 

 

Walsh and Ambrose on their last leg bowling around 130

Yup.

Ambrose bowled 81-85 mph (130-137)

Walsh 78-84 (125-135)

[putrevus]

Ambrose and Walsh had plenty of speed when they needed to rattle any batsman with both speed and bounce.They could put fear of god in any batsmen even with helmets.

 

Walsh hitting Prabhakar in Mohali in 1995 put fear of god in all Indian batsman including Sachin Tendulkar, no one was even willing to stand and face their wrath.They all folded like cheap tents that too on a Indian pitch which had true bounce. Ambrose was not even there during that tour.

 

Akthar could bowl faster but he never was as dangerous as these WI bowler both physically and mentally.

 

Walsh if he wanted could have bowled lot more nastier than Ambrose  due to his action. 

Edited June 26, 2024 by putrevus

[Singh bling]

 

 

 

 

Dean Jones asked Ambrose to remove sweatband and after that Aussie team was fearing for their life. Dean Jones clearly said that 3 bowls he faced were quickest in his life. 

[Singh bling]

13 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Yup.

Ambrose bowled 81-85 mph (130-137)

Walsh 78-84 (125-135)

Ambrose was very fast when he started but reduced his pace. 

 

https://caribbeancricket.com/archivedtopic/1195993

 

 

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Singh bling said:

Ambrose was very fast when he started but reduced his pace. 

 

https://caribbeancricket.com/archivedtopic/1195993

 

 

He was very fast but he chose to operate at optimum level just like Walsh. They had the top gear which they could go to if needed on most days.

 

 

[Lord]

Ambrose was slightly faster version of McGrath.

 

Walsh in underrated but probably the best trundler ever.

[maniac]

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

Ambrose was slightly faster version of McGrath.

 

Walsh in underrated but probably the best trundler ever.

I wouldn’t call Walsh a trundler most of his career.  He was mid 130s with loads of skills. He was a trundler for the last 1-2 years at the end. 
 

also Haddlee, Botham, Kapil were also trundlers (by ICF standards)

 

i personally don’t rate bowlers like Philander, Bhuvi or Asif as trundlers 

 

Edited June 26, 2024 by maniac

[Rightarmfast]

Someone's tied a unicorn next to my home. its beautiful

[putrevus]

9 minutes ago, Lord said:

Ambrose was slightly faster version of McGrath.

 

Walsh in underrated but probably the best trundler ever.

If Walsh is a trundler, Is Bumrah an express fast bowler.

[Lord]

13 minutes ago, maniac said:

I wouldn’t call Walsh a trundler most of his career.  He was mid 130s with loads of skills. He was a trundler for the last 1-2 years at the end. 
 

also Haddlee, Botham, Kapil were also trundlers (by ICF standards)

 

i personally don’t rate bowlers like Philander, Bhuvi or Asif as trundlers 

 

 

Trundler is just about speed not skills.Walsh was low 130s from what I saw of him

[New guy]

24 minutes ago, Lord said:

Ambrose was slightly faster version of McGrath.

 

Walsh in underrated but probably the best trundler ever.

Better than Anderson?