Paris Olympics 2024 Discussion Thread

[Number]

Another good point Prakash makes is that federations can't keep sleeping when they have one good player. In China they have 2-3 players ready across all 5 event categories to replace their top players. In India they all focus on just one player.

For example after Sindhu there is such a huge vacuum in Women's singles. There is not even one in top 40 I think.

Edited August 5, 2024 by Number

[rkt.india]

2 minutes ago, Kron said:

Speed yes. You are right for speed. But again it's all in bio mechanics. Element of luck, training from a young age, great action, coaching, access to right nutrition all play a role. 

Bio mechanic can only help to an extent but no training or bio mechanic can make Mukesh Kumar or Arshdeep bowl 150. They just don't have in them. Sports like badminton and TT are all speed games, requiring speed and fast reflexes. Why do you think we struggled in hockey since hockey moved to astroturf. It became more fast paced game than skill based. We got outpaced. Haven't won olympic gold since 1980. 

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Number said:

One good point Prakash makes is that federations can't keep sleeping when they have one good player. In China they have 2-3 players ready across all 5 event categories to replace their top players. In India they all focus on just one player.

 

That is not the fault of the player. It is the federation guys or even so called OCQ which Prakash started which needs to focus on other talents.

Edited August 5, 2024 by putrevus

[neel roy]

Long ago some elite athelete commented.. when i m winning easy i suddenly reverse the score and i play as if i am losing.. that fires me up..and i fight every point.. like its do or die

[AKane]

1 minute ago, Kron said:

Oh yes. Love giving it to them teachers. They project their insecurities onto others. They sure do need a kick up backside and that does the trick.

And we need to get past this "guru" culture. I mean respect them but they are also doing a job - for money. Period. They are no different from a plumber or a carpenter or a cook or a bank clerk etc.

 

No need to put them on a pedestal.

[Kron]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Bio mechanic can only help to an extent but no training or bio mechanic can make Mukesh Kumar or Arshdeep bowl 150. They just don't have in them. Sports like badminton and TT are all speed games, requiring speed and fast reflexes. Why do you think we struggled in hockey since hockey moved to astroturf. It became more fast paced game than skill based. We got outpaced. Haven't won olympic gold since 1980. 

You are right about mukku. He can still be a fast bowler but just not express. 

 

Firstly Indian fans need to stop spouting trash about nonsense like how india just competing itself is an achievement. Start from grass root levels. Encourage sports. Limit corruption in selection process. Then we shall see growth. Run stat sponsored doping program like China America Russia and Britain.

[putrevus]

8 minutes ago, bharathh said:

The speed walking lady who came 41st has a plum Railways job that she doesn't need to go to + is part of OGQ and is sponsored to train in Switzerland. What more does she need to do well? 

Maybe she is just not good enough in world stage, move on find another talent. She has participated in two olympics which she qualified BTW, let others qualify over her.

 

She has a life , she does not need to be vilified for posting tiktok.

[Kron]

4 minutes ago, AKane said:

And we need to get past this "guru" culture. I mean respect them but they are also doing a job - for money. Period. They are no different from a plumber or a carpenter or a cook or a bank clerk etc.

 

No need to put them on a pedestal.

No need to *ing put anyone on a pedestal. Stop wirh the seniority culture and celebrity worshipping. And also sucking up with saarrr moarrr.

 

They are not gods. 

 

Firstly we need to stop this movie star worshipping. That's the worst. You are so beautiful mam. Love you mam. Lmao

Edited August 5, 2024 by Kron

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, Kron said:

Not good enough when he choked badly vs axlesen. Turns out he is his friend. He mentioned in the interview about that a little.

 

Even prakash agrees he choked. 

 

Medal is what we need. Not participation. 

His loss of confidence was due to his inability  to play with the wind. He is not a complete player yet.  He is good only against the wind.

[putrevus]

6 minutes ago, Number said:

Another good point Prakash makes is that federations can't keep sleeping when they have one good player. In China they have 2-3 players ready across all 5 event categories to replace their top players. In India they all focus on just one player.

For example after Sindhu there is such a huge vacuum in Women's singles. There is not even one in top 40 I think.

IMO that is due to two things talent cannot be created by coaches, they can just polish it.

 

Second I feel these coaches and other guys keep wanting to take kudos and credit for her performances till she is out of the picture before they start hunting for second one.

 

 

[neel roy]

Jaspal rana to be back as high performance coach in shooting. Raninder and his guys kicked him out as he used to be a no nonsense guy.. now after manu they are coming back to him grovelling.. the fact that he was jobless became national news..

[Real McCoy]

5 minutes ago, bharathh said:

The speed walking lady who came 41st has a plum Railways job that she doesn't need to go to + is part of OGQ and is sponsored to train in Switzerland. What more does she need to do well? 

 

Yeah that girl is a problem. but there are also several who do well in other world events (not asian championship). its a catch 22. maybe do the sponsorship but also find a way to keep track of progress in world events. We need to do both to achieve some progress.

 

For some, this may seem a bit chauvinistic but in our society, its actually harder for men to fall back on. You wouldn't find a man acting like that girl who came 41st. Besides women have an out route of getting married and becoming a stay at home mom. Men don't have that option. Many youth are blinded by "women power" on tv and internet to not realize this situation.

[putrevus]

18 minutes ago, AKane said:

First and foremost stop teachers from vilifying and crudely insulting athletes in school.

 

Teachers can slobber all over their pet nerdy kids who memorize stuff but they should be sternly brought to heel if they insult athletes. A couple of fired teachers and the rest will get the message. I know teachers - a kick in their pants and they will behave themselves.

Well then extend it to parents also. They all want Engineers and Doctors.Playing sports means wasting time and ruining your life

 

Extend it to Govt in regards to jobs and system. In USA athletes if they don't make it to professional level can still have careers.

 

You bet 95% of people here have that experience.

Edited August 5, 2024 by putrevus

[rollingstoned]

Badminton court plays that differently from both ends huh? that explains why he was constantly putting the cock over the line from game 2.

[Number]

3 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Badminton court plays that differently from both ends huh? that explains why he was constantly putting the cock over the line from game 2.

I am wondering what happened game 3 then ? He was again in the advantage side. But he got hammered.

[Strangering]

8 hours ago, deathmonger said:

bhai where was korea in 1976 ki they hosted olympics in 88?

 

india hosts 2036, they are top 10.

 

sri lanka is a **** bialteral series they are experimenting. they get clobbered in tournaments.

The point is that India is not developed enough to have available infrastructure for VAST majority of its populous. 

 

Building a bunch of sports arenas in Ahmedabad doesn't do anything. Show me intent by building intra sports framework that opens doors to everyone and makes facilities and equipment available widely. 

 

Korea was and Qatar is far ahead in both of those categories. 

 

Lack of medals sheds light on inner workings (or the lack there of). 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Number said:

I am wondering what happened game 3 then ? He was again in the advantage side. But he got hammered.

That is mostly because Lee got his confidence back from 2nd set. Then it was no contest

[New guy]

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

IMO that is due to two things talent cannot be created by coaches, they can just polish it.

 

Second I feel these coaches and other guys keep wanting to take kudos and credit for her performances till she is out of the picture before they start hunting for second one.

 

 

We need foreign teachers who know how to win or have coached winners on the Olympic stage. We need to throw money at them

 

Our current coaches, no matter how good, only know how to reach quarterfinals, they have themselves never reached last stages so dont understand how athletes who win think. Maybe top coaches can coach further coaches too

 

At the top we need coaches who can teach tricks and mentality of winners, not basics. 

[deathmonger]

4 minutes ago, Strangering said:

The point is that India is not developed enough to have available infrastructure for VAST majority of its populous. 

 

Building a bunch of sports arenas in Ahmedabad doesn't do anything. Show me intent by building intra sports framework that opens doors to everyone and makes facilities and equipment available widely. 

 

Korea was and Qatar is far ahead in both of those categories. 

 

Lack of medals sheds light on inner workings (or the lack there of). 

korea wasnt in 88 or china in 08. india will be richer by both in 36.

[Lone Wolf]

Accurate assessment of Sen... He didn't played to his potential today. Prakash is hurt and disappointed