Is Ashwin the greatest Indian Test cricketer of all time?

[dilliboy]

More than 500 wickets and 3000 runs with the bat.

Most 5fers for India

Countless MoMs and MoS awards.

Part of a dominant Indian Test side. 

 

Really hard to see who is better than Ash Anna

[Chakdephatte]

Have not seen Gavaskar 

 

Sachin during his second peak was as good as I have seen anyone bat. But his best was in one of the toughest period for batters (early 90's to early 00's). He averaged 60 for 10 years straight. 

 

But these guys have not done much with their second skill. 

 

Ashwin is like Sachin of bowling, plus so many performances with the bat. Don't think anyone will better that. 

[goose]

when you say greatest 'cricketer' i cannot see the distinction from 'all-rounder'. i think most would answer no given Kapil Dev

[Gollum]

Absolutely not. 

 

Indian ATG, and the MVP in Asian conditions along with Jadeja. Nobody (apart from maybe prime Sehwag and Kumble) in Indian cricket comes close to Ash/Jaddu in SC conditions. But all conditions considered, still Sachin. Bumrah may surpass Sachin by the end of his career. 

[sensible-indian]

Sachin and Bumrah are GOAT category so they will always be up there.

 

Safe to say, Ashwin is comfortably India's biggest match winner in tests.

[Gollum]

7 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Sachin and Bumrah are GOAT category so they will always be up there.

 

Safe to say, Ashwin is comfortably India's biggest match winner in tests.

Shout out to Jaddu as well. 

[sensible-indian]

4 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Shout out to Jaddu as well. 

Defo.

 

Dude is a monster.

 

Best AR of this generation.

 

No one in the media even calls him that which is insane.

[Lord]

1 hour ago, sensible-indian said:

Defo.

 

Dude is a monster.

 

Best AR of this generation.

 

No one in the media even calls him that which is insane.

 

yep mostly it is hate due to white ball. Guy has performed overseas with bat too.

[dilliboy]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Absolutely not. 

 

Indian ATG, and the MVP in Asian conditions along with Jadeja. Nobody (apart from maybe prime Sehwag and Kumble) in Indian cricket comes close to Ash/Jaddu in SC conditions. But all conditions considered, still Sachin. Bumrah may surpass Sachin by the end of his career. 

I'd argue Ashwin's all round skills and the fact that bowlers are generally more important in winning Test matches tips the scales in his favour.

[vvvslaxman]

As a combination nobody can match Ash/Jaddu. You got like 4 players in them.  They are also clutch in Tests. 

 

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Shout out to Jaddu as well. 

As a combo they performed both rescue acts and winning acts.

[Gollum]

For all the hate test captain Dhoni gets, he backed Ash and Jaddu n their initial years, even pushing out Bhajji by 2012-13. Many people cried about CSK lobby and what not, these two legends have proved those allegations wrong. 

[vvvslaxman]

Ash is back to watching cricket lol. He is a true cricket fan first a reason why he is able to keep reinventing himself. Players stop becoming fans once they become cricketers. THey don't care what is going on elsewhere.  Understandable. But Ashwin is still very much a cricket fan before cricketer.

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

38 minutes ago, Gollum said:

For all the hate test captain Dhoni gets, he backed Ash and Jaddu n their initial years, even pushing out Bhajji by 2012-13. Many people cried about CSK lobby and what not, these two legends have proved those allegations wrong. 

 

And Dhoni was the one who backed Rohit and made him an opener. And continuously backed Kohli. If Rohit and Kohli had played under captains like themselves, their careers would've been over by 2010 by preferring "experience" over the youngsters.

[putrevus]

He is the GOAT Indian test cricketer. No one comes close to him. It is very unfortunate for him not to play more matches away from him to compensate for lack og batting depth.

 

Kumble is not even best Indian bowler even in Indian conditions.So Kumble is not even in conversation with him.
 

He is best spinner in Asia.I don't count chucker Murali as a legtimate bowler.

[R!TTER]

Why do these threads pop up every time he gets a fifer/hundred or MoM? You do know there's one more person playing right now who's arguably had a better claim 

Primary team Australia  or Bangladesh  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka

Opposition team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 1990

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 200  and runs scored greater than or equal to 2500

Ordered by batting - bowling average (descending)

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
JH Kallis (SA)	1995-2013	153	12210	224	52.85	41	253	6/54	35.37	3	184	0	17.48
RA Jadeja (IND)	2012-2024	68	2868	175*	34.97	4	282	7/42	24.26	13	39	0	10.70
SM Pollock (SA)	1995-2008	100	3630	111	32.12	2	389	7/87	23.74	15	62	0	8.37
Shakib Al Hasan (BAN)	2007-2024	61	3981	217	38.27	4	204	7/36	33.43	16	20	0	4.84
R Ashwin (IND)	2011-2024	93	3134	124	25.90	5	488	7/59	23.72	35	32	0	2.17
A Flintoff (ENG)	1998-2009	74	3762	167	32.43	5	210	5/58	33.95	3	51	0	-1.52
WPUJC Vaas (SL)	1994-2009	89	2517	90	22.27	0	288	7/71	30.13	12	21	0	-7.86
SK Warne (AUS)	1992-2007	141	3125	99	17.65	0	685	8/71	25.52	36	124	0	-7.87
DL Vettori (NZ)	1997-2014	94	3737	140	28.74	5	278	7/87	38.26	14	48	0	-9.52
SCJ Broad (ENG)	2007-2023	162	3612	169	18.15	1	583	8/15	27.80	19	52	0	-9.65

[R!TTER]

Excluding minnows -

Primary team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka

Opposition team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 1990

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 200  and runs scored greater than or equal to 2500

Ordered by batting - bowling average (descending)

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
JH Kallis (SA)	1995-2013	129	9854	224	49.51	33	201	6/54	36.74	1	151	0	12.77
RA Jadeja (IND)	2012-2024	61	2573	175*	33.85	3	259	7/42	24.57	13	36	0	9.28
SM Pollock (SA)	1995-2007	84	3079	111	31.41	1	319	7/87	23.92	11	52	0	7.49
R Ashwin (IND)	2011-2024	80	2526	106	23.17	1	413	7/59	24.31	29	28	0	-1.14
SK Warne (AUS)	1992-2007	122	2741	99	18.39	0	620	8/71	25.06	33	105	0	-6.66
DL Vettori (NZ)	1997-2014	84	3485	140	29.53	5	244	7/87	39.58	13	44	0	-10.04
SCJ Broad (ENG)	2007-2023	143	3282	169	17.93	1	510	8/15	28.21	16	46	0	-10.28

[putrevus]

Ashwin is not contending for allrounder, he is contending for greatest test cricketer.

 

Bowling Allrounders are defined more by their impactful knocks with bat than their Avg.

 

Jadeja makes more sense to Indian team in SENA .Jadeja is never going to win matches as a bowler in those countries either.

 

 

[R!TTER]

This has nothing to do with A/R—Jadeja's just as big a match winner as Ashwin! You can pretend to not have watched matches where Jadeja outbowled him, or Moen in England, but the fact remains Jadeja is just as good when we needed him. Having said that, as a combo, they're the best we've ever had, as well as the best set of match winners ever in test cricket across 140+ years!

[Gollum]

Murali has 11 MOTS, Ashwin 2nd with 10. 

 

Kallis 9

Imran, Warne, Hadlee 8 each

 

Sehwag and Sachin next best from India, with 5 each.

 

Incredible stats. Ashwin has played 42 series for his 10, Murali 61 for his 11. 

 

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