How long will we carry non-performing seniors?

[Ultimate_Game]

The title says everything. We're carrying too many non-performing "seniors" at the moment. Test (and ODI) team is filled with 4 of them in Rohit, Kohli, KL Rahul and Siraj. Carrying 4 passengers is too much. Look at our T20 team who doesn't have to carry this baggage and compare it to Tests and ODI teams.

 

Recall the Eng series earlier this year when we had youngsters in Sarfaraz, Jurel, and Jaiswal in the team and how good the team looked. Or even the win in Aus in 2020-21 when we let the youngsters in. Now it's back to seniors and we're imploding against a NZ side who were swept 3-0 by SL! Our lower order was the one doing the heavy lifting for so long as seniors have been there for the ride for the last few years. This Test shows what happens when lower order doesn't clean up seniors' mess.

 

Blame Gambhir or lack of batting technique  all you want but the real problem are useless seniority quota. When someone like Siraj can play ahead of a much better Akash Deep or KL Rahul is ahead of deserving players like Sarfaraz or Jurel, this is bound to happen. Plus we've Rohit who can't bat for too long, and Kohli who has been done for the last  5 years in Tests. Kick them out and you'll see much better performances like our T20 team.

 

[vvvslaxman]

Sons of Bengaluru Kela and Kohli are not going anywhere

[tweaker]

The seniors have privileges,they play till they enjoy the game,they will decide when they want to retire.

 

Now Sarfaraz as per the custom as to make way for Gill

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Sons of Bengaluru Kela and Kohli are not going anywhere

 

Siraj too. He's also part of the RCB group.

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, tweaker said:

The seniors have privileges,they play till they enjoy the game,they will decide when they want to retire.

 

Now Sarfaraz as per the custom as to make way for Gill

 

Don't think that'll happen this time round. They would've dropped Sarafaraz had we won. But if we lose the series to NZ, seniors will be under a lot of pressure so they'll drop KL for Gill. But in the longer run we'll continue to under-achieve when more than 1/3rd of the team doesn't deserve to be there in the first place.

[The Realist]

It's more of a question of when they want to stop. Performance is not even a metric.

 

Selectors have no backbone to do anything else. 

[Sean Bradley]

Kela should be kicked out immediately. 

[Ultimate_Game]

2 hours ago, The Realist said:

It's more of a question of when they want to stop. Performance is not even a metric.

 

Selectors have no backbone to do anything else. 

 

Nepo-baby Shah has already anointed Rohit as captain across all formats for eternity. Plus Kohli will remain till he feels like it. KL and Siraj are in the same category.

 

Whenever youngsters are given a chance they perform and then we go back to the same old seniors 

[deathmonger]

KL and Siraj should be removed.

 

What's wrong with Rohit though? He's been scoring well enough.

 

Kohli has been okay in the last two years.

[Ultimate_Game]

8 hours ago, deathmonger said:

KL and Siraj should be removed.

 

What's wrong with Rohit though? He's been scoring well enough.

 

Kohli has been okay in the last two years.

 

Problem with Rohit is that he can no longer bat for long, which is a pre-requisite for Tests. Even his good scores have been quick 30s, 40s or 50s. This may be good for T20 or ODIs, Tests demand a lot more from batsmen. The other side effect is that if the captain plays and perishes as if it's a charity match, how can you ask others to play responsibly and put a price on their wkts? This also keeps the opposition in the game as they know Rohit is not gonna bat for longer than 20 overs and an early wkt is round the corner.

 

Sehwag used to be attacking as well but he scored big. When he got in he made the opponents pay. With Rohit if it's his day it's a score of 40 or 50 else it's a single digit score. This approach won't win you too many Test matches.

Edited October 21, 2024 by Ultimate_Game

[singhvivek141]

In response to the thread,

 

This tradition will likely continue until the World Test Championship 2025 at the earliest. It is unlikely that the selectors will drop Rohit or Kohli before then, considering their ongoing struggles to make a decision on KL, who has demonstrated mediocrity throughout his 51-Test career.

 

Regarding Siraj, he may be rested or dropped if Shami is fit and available. However, due to the lack of backups created since the dropping of Umesh and Ishant, our fast bowling reserves are limited. Akashdeep has only played 2-3 Tests, while Harshit has yet to play a single game. This situation is exacerbated by Shami's injury since the ODI World Cup last year, highlighting our unpreparedness for such circumstances.

Edited October 21, 2024 by singhvivek141

[tweaker]

3 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

In response to the thread,

 

This tradition will likely continue until the World Test Championship 2025 at the earliest. It is unlikely that the selectors will drop Rohit or Kohli before then, considering their ongoing struggles to make a decision on KL, who has demonstrated mediocrity throughout his 51-Test career.

 

Regarding Siraj, he may be rested or dropped if Shami is fit and available. However, due to the lack of backups created since the dropping of Umesh and Ishant, our fast bowling reserves are limited. Akashdeep has only played 2-3 Tests, while Harshit has yet to play a single game. This situation is exacerbated by Shami's injury since the ODI World Cup last year, highlighting our unpreparedness for such circumstances.

If Bumrah also gets injured, what is the solution. 

 

For reason unknown Team  management is not ready to back Akaash, who has shown he has quality to play ahead od Siraj.

 

Inspite of being mediocre team management is hell.bend on.backing Siraj.

 

For the next 2 test ,Akash and Harshit should get opportunities. 

[singhvivek141]

12 minutes ago, tweaker said:

If Bumrah also gets injured, what is the solution. 

 

For reason unknown Team  management is not ready to back Akaash, who has shown he has quality to play ahead od Siraj.

 

Inspite of being mediocre team management is hell.bend on.backing Siraj.

 

For the next 2 test ,Akash and Harshit should get opportunities. 

If Bumrah is injured, then we will be in the same situation where Steve Rodgers was, when he wasnt injected with super serum and was bullied in the alley.

Will have no choice but to perish or fight back.

[Nikhil_cric]

17 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

If Bumrah is injured, then we will be in the same situation where Steve Rodgers was, when he wasnt injected with super serum and was bullied in the alley.

Will have no choice but to perish or fight back.

The average age of the XI we played was 31.5 . Too old.   Only 3 players below 30 and both Sarfaraz and Pant are 27.

 

 

[deathmonger]

1 hour ago, tweaker said:

If Bumrah also gets injured, what is the solution. 

 

For reason unknown Team  management is not ready to back Akaash, who has shown he has quality to play ahead od Siraj.

 

Inspite of being mediocre team management is hell.bend on.backing Siraj.

 

For the next 2 test ,Akash and Harshit should get opportunities. 

Akash Bumrah 2nd test

 

Akash Harshit 3rd

 

Akash and Harshit also extend the batting a lot.

[vayuu1]

21 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Luns of Bengaluru Kela and Kohli are not going anywhere

Phikshed 

[tweaker]

Rohit,Kohli.are ok,but why they cant drop Rahul.From when he has joined the league of Rohit and Kohli

[tapandrun]

Kolhi has avg of 19, 28, 27, 56, 33 in last 5 yrs

Gill avgs 37 in 36 mactches

Rohit has avg 33 in 2024 

 

These no. are mediocre at max and nothing can/will be done about these superstars of ind crkt bcoz they are super stars.

 

 

 

[mani sha]

Kohli .. he doesn’t have to face new ball , goes missing in imo matches and can’t remember is last 5 years when he played a match winning knock in tests . Or even t20 

 

rinku singh entry delayed due to kohli. I would even take pandya as a pure batter in tests . 

[Ultimate_Game]

12 hours ago, mani sha said:

Kohli .. he doesn’t have to face new ball , goes missing in imo matches and can’t remember is last 5 years when he played a match winning knock in tests . Or even t20 

 

rinku singh entry delayed due to kohli. I would even take pandya as a pure batter in tests . 

 

We need batsmen with steel and temperament in the middle order. Rinku would be perfect. He's averaging 55 in FC and based on what we've seen, he shows up when going is tough.