The Sunset of Thackeray Clan

[kepler37b]

Outside MH, Thackeray family was symbol of MH politics. For atleast 2 decades. Now in this election it has become irrelevant. 

 

I would love to hear the perspective of Maharastrians on this one. 

 

Is Uddhav an incompetent dynast like Rahul? Is there any chance for the family to recover?

[diga]

@G_B_ @Mariyam @Yoda-esque ... 

 

Tag the Marathis on this forum for some quick insights :) 

Uddhav & his son dont inspire any confidence ... no hopes for that dynasty

[Mariyam]

2 hours ago, diga said:

@G_B_ @Mariyam @Yoda-esque ... 

 

Tag the Marathis on this forum for some quick insights :) 

Uddhav & his son dont inspire any confidence ... no hopes for that dynasty

Mi Marathi bolte. Pan marathi nhave.
 

You should tag @BacktoCricaddict and @bowl_out @rish @nevada

 

As for the Thackerays, even the OG version was a divisive figure who, many would argue, used Shivaji Maharaj’s iconography to float a party that for the longest time openly indulged in extortion as a primary source of income. 
 

Raj has never won much. Apart from sound bites on the internet, and breaking a few toll nakas what has he to show? In cricketing terms he is like Subhman Gill. Lot of faf (not the cricketer), less substance.

 

Uddhav, is at least ambitious. I remember a decade or so ago, most people would view the Shiv Sena (then united) as the real right wing party and as BJP as right wing lite. If you throw away ideology of decades for momentary trappings of power, you will lose respect in the eyes of those that have made you what you are. And that is what has happened.

 

Also the demography of Mumbai has changed since the 90s. Marathis are simply not that much of a majority in Mumbai proper. This is anecdotal, but I spend a fair few years of my childhood staying in Worli and just strolling outside and one would always hear Marathi. Not so the case anymore. Even in Dadar it’s Hindi/English/Hinglish.

 

 

[coffee_rules]

@Austin 3:!6 @G_B_Requesting to close this sub-forum  and use Chit-chat for all discussions 

[jigjig]

I am not a Marathi but been in MH for long. Disappointed with their dismantling and loss. They were an excellent alternative and ally to BJP.

 

Brothers could have stayed together. 

Edited November 26 by jigjig

[ravishingravi]

I am Maharashtrian for life. So I consider Marathi and Tamil as my equivalent native. 

 

Historically speaking, it's important to remember that the most innate quality that sportsman, businesman and politician needs is resilience. They fail more often than they succeed but when they succeed they succeed big. 

 

Could anyone have imagined Fadnavis being undisputed king of Maharashtra 10 years back ? No. Could this scenario be imagined 5 months back ? No.  Same for Thackeray. Tides of times create opportunities for all sides. Resilient ones ride through the rough waves. 

[coffee_rules]

32 minutes ago, jigjig said:

I am not a Marathi but been in MH for long. Disappointed with their dismantling and loss. They were and excellent  alternative an ally to BJP.

 

Brothers could have stayed together. 

There is a saying in Kannada - Maadidunno Maharaya - Eat what you made/cooked. UT deserves all the backlash for turning his back on his father’s legacy/Hindutva. He deserves his place in the dumps now. 

[G_B_]

Sena were a party who had stakes in around 120 seats of maha in the 90s. Were mumbai thane konkan centric.

 

The slow demise of the sena started with rise of Uddhav. He was never interested in politics. His unjustified rise led to leaders like Rane leaving and creation of mns. That made them smaller than the bjp within the nda. Then came the rise of Modi. 

 

Uddhav should have compromised and got Raj T in sena post 2014 knowing challenges he faced from a much bigger bjp. Chose not to have threats from inside party but then ended up losing party.

 

Future of sena (if any) lay with Raj T and Uddhav coming together. Wont happen.

 

A small house once divided will face issues. Ditto the ncp. There are just too many sons nephews etc for the vote not to split.

 

 

 

 

 

[rangeelaraja]

1 hour ago, G_B_ said:

Sena were a party who had stakes in around 120 seats of maha in the 90s. Were mumbai thane konkan centric.

 

The slow demise of the sena started with rise of Uddhav. He was never interested in politics. His unjustified rise led to leaders like Rane leaving and creation of mns. That made them smaller than the bjp within the nda. Then came the rise of Modi. 

 

Uddhav should have compromised and got Raj T in sena post 2014 knowing challenges he faced from a much bigger bjp. Chose not to have threats from inside party but then ended up losing party.

 

Future of sena (if any) lay with Raj T and Uddhav coming together. Wont happen.

 

A small house once divided will face issues. Ditto the ncp. There are just too many sons nephews etc for the vote not to split.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Doesn't this reflect most if not all dynasty driven parties ? 

 

No bigger example than INC. Even the 99 seats in Lok Sabha is a positive abberation -RG will drive INC to the ground and 6 feet under by the time he is done with politics. 

 

 

[G_B_]

True.

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[BacktoCricaddict]

Good riddance. Politics should never ever be dynastic. Political parties, public goods and services, and people in general, are not private property that gets handed down from parent to child.

 

I will be ecstatic when the Congress dynasty completely disappears (probably not happening any time within the next couple of decades).

 

 

[G_B_]

Congress will collapse the day gandhis disappear. Regional heads wont take orders from anybody else.

 

If anything happens to raga and priyanka, they will induct varun gandhi. 

 

Nehru Gandhi Vadara dynasty is the future mostly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LordPrabhzy]

4 hours ago, G_B_ said:

Congress will collapse the day gandhis disappear. Regional heads wont take orders from anybody else.

 

If anything happens to raga and priyanka, they will induct varun gandhi. 

 

Nehru Gandhi Vadara dynasty is the future mostly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Rahul ** doesnt have kids neither does Varun.. so the Congress will move to Vadra clan unless Priyanka only uses the Gandhi surname for her kids

[G_B_]

10 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 Rahul ** doesnt have kids neither does Varun.. so the Congress will move to Vadra clan unless Priyanka only uses the Gandhi surname for her kids

Varun has a daughter

 

You also dont know if he has a love child etc

 

[coffee_rules]

17 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 Rahul ** doesnt have kids neither does Varun.. so the Congress will move to Vadra clan unless Priyanka only uses the Gandhi surname for her kids

Wiki has her kids with only Vadra. When it comes to that, it’s no big deal to change it to Gandhi

 

Children	Raihan Vadra (son) Miraya Vadra (daughter)

[G_B_]

I think they will take Gandhi-Vadra name.

But Raga and priyanka will be around next 30 years


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[rish]

Uddhav is a weak person.

His next move will be to exit MVA and use his money to break Eknath Shindes sena..

 

Unfortunately this loyalty ka chooran is koot koot ke bhara hua in Marathi people and they will elect him again perhaps for BMC

 

[R!TTER]

On 11/26/2024 at 5:01 PM, BacktoCricaddict said:

I will be ecstatic when the Congress dynasty completely disappears (probably not happening any time within the next couple of decades).

This dynasty thing is BS; it's been happening in the BJP as well for decades, though not as the very top, i.e., PM level. And why does it matter if it's a dynasty, so long as they do the right thing? This familial or lineage thing is ingrained in our society from the very start—most (rich) kids inherit their family business or line of work, aka Bollywood. Take the fake Shark Tank from India, and what difference do you see from the original one in the US? Most entrepreneurs are not doing self-funding; in fact, a large number are from well-off families or backgrounds and started their ventures using the connections for money 

[BacktoCricaddict]

49 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

This dynasty thing is BS;

Totally agree.

 

See Trudeau. Kennedy. Bush. Clinton (not kids but wife). Possibly Trump. In every case here, when the kids/family members "inherit" power from their parents, they just turn out to be entitled, uncaring, detached elitists with no sense of ground realities. Just because there is corruption/favouritism in other arenas does make this kind of fiefdom acceptable. You mentioned "if they do the right thing." The exception does not make the rule.

Edited November 28 by BacktoCricaddict

[R!TTER]

That's not an exception; that's an expectation—most politicians/bureaucrats are corrupt beyond repair in this country, regardless of their lineage. Their family background does not guarantee anything.