Indian team for 2nd D/N test at Adelaide

[adi B]

On 11/25/2024 at 1:19 PM, diga said:

Only if Shami was fit for the pink ball test, he would have run riot with pink ball under lights

Absolutely 

[vvvslaxman]

Fans reactions lol This guy's interview didn't go well.

 

 

[straighttalk]

5 hours ago, adi B said:

Absolutely 

Did he play the pink ball test last time..dnt remember anyone from Indian team running riot

[straighttalk]

So is the twilight zone always the risk on every day of the match or only twilight plus new ball is the risky time..seems to be ripe for tactical declaration

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, straighttalk said:

Did he play the pink ball test last time..dnt remember anyone from Indian team running riot

 

Got injured while batting in the pink bsll test and missed the whole series.

Edited November 27, 2024 by express bowling

[deathmonger]

18 hours ago, goose said:

 

yeh i meant outside asia.

I don't think so.

 

Ind have won both last series. Only lost WTC cause of Bumrah/Pant missing.

 

These Ind batsmen can play Aus bowlers well in Aus conditions plus bowlers can bowl well too.

[rollingstoned]

6 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Fans reactions lol This guy's interview didn't go well.

 

 

Lol so this is the Sam Curran lookalike fellow we see in the crowd. 

[Lord]

 

[goose]

3 hours ago, deathmonger said:

I don't think so.

 

Ind have won both last series. Only lost WTC cause of Bumrah/Pant missing.

 

These Ind batsmen can play Aus bowlers well in Aus conditions plus bowlers can bowl well too.

 

 

did you hand on heart expect, (and i mean expect!) india to win this series, and in a related question did the world agree with you? how has that changed after the first test? how will it change again if aus draw level 1-1?

[diga]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

Last bit is good .. 

[deathmonger]

1 hour ago, goose said:

 

 

did you hand on heart expect, (and i mean expect!) india to win this series, and in a related question did the world agree with you? how has that changed after the first test? how will it change again if aus draw level 1-1?

I expected it to be 3-2 either way.

 

Australia have been vulnerable for a while. Drew against WI and huffed and puffed against their whipping boys Pak and NZ. Also was whacked pretty hard in the last Ashes at the latter end and that same England team was whacked in India on similar flat wickets.

 

Even WTC final result might have been different with Bumrah/Pant. And even in that final India made 296 and 234 against the same attack with a weaker batting lineup (Puajra, Rahane, Bharat).

 

Thing is their batting lineup is aging and with Green unavailable and Warner retiring looks vulnerable even though bowling is good.

 

Ind has aging Kohli/Rohit but India's 3 best batters are 3 young guys, 2 of whom did very well last time (Gill/Pant). Jaiswal also did well in the first test. Plus Bumrah has reached a new level.

 

If Ind had not lost 0-3 to NZ, people would not be shocked by this result. It's that which made people pessimistic but then that was completely different conditions exposing different weaknesses and was just a bad domino effect. If it hadn't rained in Bangalore or Rohit had bowled first, India would not have lost the first test. Without that India would not have panicked in the next two preparing dustbowls on which they lost the toss. If India get NZ on those England series wickets they win the series, whether they bat first or second.

 

India's loss on the dustbowls was due to

1) Ashwin/Jadeja being older and not as effective

2) Inability of Indian batsmen to play spin, especially Kohli against left arm spin

 

Those issues are a moot point here.

 

The world might not have agreed but that is because most of the world sees cricket as a transitive mathematical property where A>B and B>C means A>C without taking into account context, conditions etc.

Edited November 27, 2024 by deathmonger

[Lone Wolf]

4 hours ago, straighttalk said:

So is the twilight zone always the risk on every day of the match or only twilight plus new ball is the risky time..seems to be ripe for tactical declaration

Twilight is more about sighting the ball... Otherwise it doesn't offers much as good as day time pitch conditions 

 

 

Last 10-15 overs can be hellish under lights though.  Adelaide becomes quicker.

Twilight is easier to bat comparatively 

Edited November 27, 2024 by Lone Wolf

[rollingstoned]

14 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Twilight is more about sighting the ball... Otherwise it doesn't offers much as good as day time pitch conditions 

 

 

Last 10-15 overs can be hellish under lights though.  Adelaide becomes quicker.

Twilight is easier to bat comparatively 

We have had teams declare just after dinner time to take advantage of that period. 

[Norman]

Mouth watering Test match this. If we win this, we are pretty much certain of not losing the series as Sydney will definitely be a washout as usual. Stakes are sky high. 

 

Rohit will be crucified if we lose and he fails with the bat as opener after replacing a successful Bumrah and Rahul in those respective roles. 

[goose]

22 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

I expected it to be 3-2 either way.

 

Australia have been vulnerable for a while. Drew against WI and huffed and puffed against their whipping boys Pak and NZ. Also was whacked pretty hard in the last Ashes at the latter end and that same England team was whacked in India on similar flat wickets.

 

Even WTC final result might have been different with Bumrah/Pant. And even in that final India made 296 and 234 against the same attack with a weaker batting lineup (Puajra, Rahane, Bharat).

 

Thing is their batting lineup is aging and with Green unavailable and Warner retiring looks vulnerable even though bowling is good.

 

Ind has aging Kohli/Rohit but India's 3 best batters are 3 young guys, 2 of whom did very well last time (Gill/Pant). Jaiswal also did well in the first test. Plus Bumrah has reached a new level.

 

If Ind had not lost 0-3 to NZ, people would not be shocked by this result. It's that which made people pessimistic but then that was completely different conditions exposing different weaknesses and was just a bad domino effect. If it hadn't rained in Bangalore or Rohit had bowled first, India would not have lost the first test. Without that India would not have panicked in the next two preparing dustbowls on which they lost the toss. If India get NZ on those England series wickets they win the series, whether they bat first or second.

 

India's loss on the dustbowls was due to

1) Ashwin/Jadeja being older and not as effective

2) Inability of Indian batsmen to play spin, especially Kohli against left arm spin

 

Those issues are a moot point here.

 

The world might not have agreed but that is because most of the world sees cricket as a transitive mathematical property where A>B and B>C means A>C without taking into account context, conditions etc.

 

i don't think we have ever got to a point where the cricket world refers to THAT indian side of the 2020s in the way everyone does for the windies in 70/80s and aussies 90/00s. you can intellectulize things but we aren't there yet. the next 4 tests and 5 in eng could change that.

 

[Number]

The 36 AO we had at Adelaide, we lost just 1 wicket under lights. Rest all of them were in the morning. 

It is a tricky wicket and has been very quick since 2017-18. Most of the games have been low scoring ones.

[deathmonger]

8 minutes ago, goose said:

 

i don't think we have ever got to a point where the cricket world refers to THAT indian side of the 2020s in the way everyone does for the windies in 70/80s and aussies 90/00s. you can intellectulize things but we aren't there yet. the next 4 tests and 5 in eng could change that.

 

It's not as good as those teams but very much in the second tier of teams like SA 07-14 etc.

 

Also technically speaking we are in transition. I consider THAT team to be the one under Kohli's full time captaincy - 2015-21.

 

A few of the guys are still hanging around but so did Steyn, ABD, Amla, Morkel, Philander post Kallis, Smith etc retirement. As did Ponting, Lee, Hayden, Gilchrist etc post 06-07 Ashes.

 

Pujara, Rahane, Ishant, Umesh, Bhuvi, Vijay - key players of that team are gone. Rohit, Kohli, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami will go soon.

 

I think a new run will start though in a few years once Jaiswal, Gill, Pant reach maturity along with guys like Sundar, Reddy, Rana etc.

 

Bumrah kind of straddles both eras. He is the reason why we are still doing ok during a transition era.

 

[straighttalk]

4 hours ago, Norman said:

Mouth watering Test match this. If we win this, we are pretty much certain of not losing the series as Sydney will definitely be a washout as usual. Stakes are sky high. 

 

Rohit will be crucified if we lose and he fails with the bat as opener after replacing a successful Bumrah and Rahul in those respective roles. 

 

Dnt know if it will be Rohits fault given it's pink ball test

[putrevus]

9 hours ago, deathmonger said:

I don't think so.

 

Ind have won both last series. Only lost WTC cause of Bumrah/Pant missing.

 

These Ind batsmen can play Aus bowlers well in Aus conditions plus bowlers can bowl well too.

Oh really, what happened in WTC 2021 then.

[deathmonger]

47 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Oh really, what happened in WTC 2021 then.

That was against NZ in swinging conditions?

 

Which is a completely different matchup due to different style of bowlers?

 

Even in 2020 Ind lost 0-2 in NZ and then won 2-1 in Aus.