rangeelaraja Posted March 12 Posted March 12 (edited) https://www.fortuneindia.com/enterprise/25-ias-officers-corrupt-incompetent-or-inefficient-middle-50-complacent-d-subbarao/116843 I've always wondered what this godforsaken IAS given to India ? How many PSUs have they turned into profit making entities or run efficiently ? How many ministries have they screwed up ? The whole criteria for getting into this ecosystem is cracking exams, while most candidates have no proven success in a professional career. If India continues to remain a 3rd world country the bureaucracy ( as we call it ) , that runs major ministries is almost entirely responsible for it. We cannot blame politicians beyond a point because they are not technocrats and rely on these idiotic babus...who got in by virtue of highly obsolete hiring criteria... How much of a difference would it make if IAS was entirely scrapped and ministries laterally hired technocrats with proven success in the industry for 15-20 years atleast ? Edited March 12 by rangeelaraja Muloghonto 1
Muloghonto Posted March 12 Posted March 12 2 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: https://www.fortuneindia.com/enterprise/25-ias-officers-corrupt-incompetent-or-inefficient-middle-50-complacent-d-subbarao/116843 I've always wondered what this godforsaken IAS given to India ? How many PSUs have they turned into profit making entities or run efficiently ? How many ministries have they screwed up ? The whole criteria for getting into this ecosystem is cracking exams, while most candidates have no proven success in a professional career. If India continues to remain a 3rd world country the bureaucracy ( as we call it ) , that runs major ministries is almost entirely responsible for it. We cannot blame politicians beyond a point because they are not technocrats and rely on these idiotic babus...who got in by virtue of highly obsolete hiring criteria... How much of a difference would it make if IAS was entirely scrapped and ministries laterally hired technocrats with proven success in the industry for 15-20 years atleast ? Technocrats in govt is a bad idea. Beurocracy and babudom are the laziest professional class on the planet, technocrats are one of the hardest working classes. Having technocrat in govt is like asking a fatty lizzo to train for marathon on day1 and get them a motivational coach. They won't progress, they will just die lol.
IndianRenegade Posted March 12 Posted March 12 just 25%? that seems low. Teengunalagaan, Pratik77, coffee_rules and 2 others 5
mishra Posted March 13 Posted March 13 (edited) So, if your boss is asking for money, how can their secretaries be NOT corrupt. Blame lies squarely on Politicians and public who elect such politicians Most IAS , I know opine that key is finding middle ground else they can’t survive. Edited March 13 by mishra
Gollum Posted March 13 Posted March 13 (edited) Need lateral entry. I want quality scientists, engineers, teachers, medical professionals, lawyers with 10-15 years experience enter bureaucracy. Govt must make this happen or there will no incentive to improve. Edited March 13 by Gollum
Mariyam Posted March 13 Posted March 13 16 minutes ago, Gollum said: Need lateral entry. I want quality scientists, engineers, teachers, medical professionals, lawyers with 10-15 years experience enter bureaucracy. Govt must make this happen or there will no incentive to improve. Why do we needs teachers, scientists and medical professionals for IAS jobs? Engineers, lawyers, CAs, people who have worked with Tata Administrative Services (TAS) or TAS retirees. And officers from the armed forces should be inducted laterally.
Gollum Posted March 13 Posted March 13 8 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Why do we needs teachers, scientists and medical professionals for IAS jobs? Not talking only about IAS, any civil service in India. Btw teachers, scientists, doctors can have better insights into what needs to be done in DST, education, public health etc. What exactly is the area of expertise of an IAS?
LordPrabhzy Posted March 13 Posted March 13 42 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Why do we needs teachers, scientists and medical professionals for IAS jobs? Engineers, lawyers, CAs, people who have worked with Tata Administrative Services (TAS) or TAS retirees. And officers from the armed forces should be inducted laterally. why not? thats why there is no 'diversity' of thoughts in Indian institutions and education system. You can do science OR arts in 11/12th- why not both? Why cant science graduates have valid insights to succeed in the civil service?
AuxiliA Posted March 13 Posted March 13 Problem with allout lateral entry is that it will lead to corruption and favouritism at the entry point itself. Politicians will mostly pick their stooges. All said n done UPSC exams are conducted on merit. Mariyam 1
AuxiliA Posted March 13 Posted March 13 The ultimate solution to end corruption is to allow ONLY Brahmacharis, like Modiji and Yogiji, who have no family or kids to contest elections.. That will also help with population control.
coffee_rules Posted March 13 Posted March 13 (edited) 12 minutes ago, AuxiliA said: Problem with allout lateral entry is that it will lead to corruption and favouritism at the entry point itself. Politicians will mostly pick their stooges. All said n done UPSC exams are conducted on merit. In practical terms, lateral entry === sifarish candidate. Edited March 13 by coffee_rules
AuxiliA Posted March 13 Posted March 13 4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: In practical terms, lateral entry === sifarish candidate. Yeah, especially at the state level. Already transfers n postings of Bureaucrats involve a hell lot of black money. Now people will pay bribes to become a Babu.
Lone Wolf Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Short term solution would be to conduct IAS exams only in English medium... That way half of the BIMARU ecosystem is destroyed. We get at least some sanity restored. But babus run this country so ain't happening. coffee_rules 1
coffee_rules Posted March 14 Posted March 14 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Short term solution would be to conduct IAS exams only in English medium... That way half of the BIMARU ecosystem is destroyed. We get at least some sanity restored. But babus run this country so ain't happening. IAS corruption is not limited to 4 states. This Bimaru terminology ishould be shunned. Delhi, Haryana, Punjab , WB officers are no less corrupt
Lord Posted March 14 Posted March 14 19 hours ago, mishra said: So, if your boss is asking for money, how can their secretaries be NOT corrupt. Blame lies squarely on Politicians and public who elect such politicians Most IAS , I know opine that key is finding middle ground else they can’t survive. public mostly doesnt have much choice. Choose between slow or fast poison mishra 1
mishra Posted March 14 Posted March 14 37 minutes ago, Lord said: public mostly doesnt have much choice. Choose between slow or fast poison I kind of agree with your statement. Specially post IAC Anna Kejriwal experience. However, Leadership comes from same public and it is also a fact that barring small percentage most vote on caste region religion freebies, instead of culture, dharma , policy and nationalism Lord 1
Lone Wolf Posted March 14 Posted March 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: IAS corruption is not limited to 4 states. This Bimaru terminology ishould be shunned. Delhi, Haryana, Punjab , WB officers are no less corrupt That's why I said half of the problem. BIMARU terminology is a really great way to identify the root evil. These are the places where corruption is normalised heavily from start to finish.. the literal origins of Babudom Edited March 14 by Lone Wolf coffee_rules 1
Teengunalagaan Posted March 14 Posted March 14 On 3/13/2025 at 2:20 AM, IndianRenegade said: just 25%? that seems low. And 100% mental A man from Assam was summoned by the Kokrajhar court for reacting ‘Haha’ on a Facebook comment directed at an IAS officer. The legal move has ignited debates on free speech & digital expression. #FacebookCase #CourtSummons #SocialMediaLaws #OurNorthEast #ONE pic.twitter.com/mDtaiUedUP — Our North East (@1OurNortheast) February 14, 2025 Lord 1
Mariyam Posted March 17 Posted March 17 On 3/13/2025 at 9:07 PM, Gollum said: Not talking only about IAS, any civil service in India. Btw teachers, scientists, doctors can have better insights into what needs to be done in DST, education, public health etc. What exactly is the area of expertise of an IAS? Corruption? On 3/13/2025 at 9:42 PM, LordPrabhzy said: why not? thats why there is no 'diversity' of thoughts in Indian institutions and education system. You can do science OR arts in 11/12th- why not both? Why cant science graduates have valid insights to succeed in the civil service? This post answers the questions raised by both of you. As an IAS, your job is more of a maintenance person. To honestly (and that is really the big deal here) execute the job and maintain law and order, maintain revenue collection and land records. What we need is someone who can follow rules, simplify them and has good man management skills. Its not really a 'thinking' job in the truest sense of the word. We aren't looking for insights. We are looking at a task master. The roles that you guys talk about should be for those in planning commissions and if at all a rehaul of the administrative services are carried out, then the people hired to brain storm the new structure.
mishra Posted March 17 Posted March 17 4 hours ago, Mariyam said: Corruption? This post answers the questions raised by both of you. As an IAS, your job is more of a maintenance person. To honestly (and that is really the big deal here) execute the job and maintain law and order, maintain revenue collection and land records. What we need is someone who can follow rules, simplify them and has good man management skills. Its not really a 'thinking' job in the truest sense of the word. We aren't looking for insights. We are looking at a task master. The roles that you guys talk about should be for those in planning commissions and if at all a rehaul of the administrative services are carried out, then the people hired to brain storm the new structure. Right after their training. they start improvising. I have heard few anecdotes from some of frnds about maintaining law and order. In a country where mob takes law in their own hand, the sheer brilliance of those shrewd ways to deal with them fills u with vow. 99% of Guys are shrewd , imaginative and goid at ensuring things keep mooving on despite limited resources Lord and Mariyam 1 1
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