Terror attack in Pahalgam 27 civilians killed

[Teengunalagaan]

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Edited May 7, 2025 by Teengunalagaan

[singhvivek141]

33 minutes ago, Teengunalagaan said:

Bold to assume that they harbor any different mindset, I used oto believe that too, but history has proven time and again they have anti India and anti Hindu mindset drilled in them, even in their school books.

 

Wasn't it apparent when supposedly educated Pakistanis were applauding Munir's hate speech, expecting anything different is living in fool's paradise.

I understand, I was just replying to the poster.
The Pakjabis are one of most useless qaum you will ever see. They will keep on playing the Ummah-Chumma card yet work as a mercenary against the same community.

[Ironhide]

 

[Ironhide]

 

[Teengunalagaan]

34 minutes ago, Ironhide said:

 

More satisfying than his death..

 

Quadratic ka nizaam

Edited May 7, 2025 by Teengunalagaan

[IndianRenegade]

27 minutes ago, Teengunalagaan said:

More satisfying than his death..

 

Quadratic ka nizaam

I just wish no children died, even if it was from his family. But it is what it is.

Edited May 7, 2025 by IndianRenegade

[Lord]

2 hours ago, Ironhide said:

 

 

He should go tell Shehbaz/Munir

[Alam_dar]

India’s Airstrike Killing 10 Members of Masood Azhar’s Family: Was it the best Strategy and Outcome? 

 

On May 7, 2025, India conducted airstrikes under Operation Sindoor, targeting terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), resulting in the deaths of 10 family members of Masood Azhar, the UN-designated terrorist and leader of the banned Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM), along with four of his aides. While India claims these strikes were a precise response to the Pahalgam terror attack that killed 26 civilians, this aggressive action is a strategic blunder that not only fails to advance India’s counterterrorism objectives but also risks glorifying a terrorist outfit in Pakistan, destabilizing the region, and exposing India’s broader geopolitical agenda to dismantle Pakistan itself.

 

 

1. A Counterproductive Move That Heroizes Jaish-e-Mohammed

Far from weakening JeM, India’s airstrikes, which killed Azhar’s family members, including his sister, nephew, and children, are likely to transform the group into a martyr-like symbol in Pakistan. Azhar’s statement, widely circulated on platforms like X, frames the killings as an “injustice that has broken all rules,” rallying sympathy for JeM’s cause: “Let no one expect mercy now.” This narrative of victimhood could galvanize recruitment and fundraising for JeM, a group already notorious for attacks like the 2001 Indian Parliament assault and the 2019 Pulwama bombing. By striking at Azhar’s family rather than solely targeting operational assets, India has handed JeM a propaganda victory, potentially strengthening its resolve and public support in Pakistan, where anti-India sentiment is already rife. This miscalculation mirrors historical instances where heavy-handed military actions, such as U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan, ended up radicalizing more individuals than they eliminated.

 

 

2. The Need for a UN-Led Judicial Mechanism to Address Terrorism

India’s unilateral action underscores the urgent need for a robust, impartial mechanism under the UN’s judicial branch to investigate and adjudicate terrorism-related cases. The current global system, where individual states act as judge, jury, and executioner, is deeply flawed. India accuses Pakistan of harboring terrorists like Azhar, citing his public appearances in Bahawalpur and JeM’s operational bases. Yet, Pakistan denies it and downplays its role, creating a cycle of accusations and retaliations. A UN judicial body, empowered to review evidence, such as India’s dossiers on Azhar’s involvement in the Pathankot and Pulwama attacks or Pakistan’s alleged ISI backing, could establish accountability transparently. If Pakistan is found complicit, the international community could impose targeted sanctions, asset freezes, or peacekeeping measures, avoiding the chaos of unilateral strikes. Such a mechanism would deter state-sponsored terrorism while preventing escalatory actions that risk civilian lives and regional stability. Otherwise, perhaps only the STRONGER nations would be able to retaliate against terrorism, but not the weaker states. This should end, we need a world where every one should get justice. 

 

 

3. The Unreliability of Unilateral State Actions

History is littered with examples of states abusing the “terrorism” label to justify aggressive military campaigns, eroding trust in unilateral actions. The U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, based on fabricated claims of weapons of mass destruction, led to over 100,000 civilian deaths and destabilized the Middle East. Similarly, Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine, justified by vague accusations of “Nazism,” has caused tens of thousands of deaths and displaced millions. India’s airstrikes, while framed as counterterrorism, fit this troubling pattern. The lack of transparent evidence shared with the international community before the strikes raises questions about their legitimacy. Without an impartial body to verify claims, India’s actions risk being perceived as opportunistic aggression rather than justified self-defense.

 

 

4. India’s Broader Agenda: Destabilizing Pakistan Beyond Terrorism

India’s motives appear to extend far beyond neutralizing terrorist threats. The immediate suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) following the Pahalgam attack signals a deliberate strategy to cripple Pakistan economically and environmentally. The IWT, a rare example of India-Pakistan cooperation since 1960, governs the sharing of critical water resources. By abruptly ending it, India threatens Pakistan’s agriculture-dependent economy and the livelihoods of millions, a move that goes beyond targeting terrorism and suggests a desire to destabilize Pakistan as a whole. The airstrikes, combined with the treaty’s termination, indicate a multi-pronged offensive aimed at weakening Pakistan’s sovereignty, not just JeM’s operational capacity.

Pakistan is a weaker party in this dispute. Otherwise, it also wishes destruction of India, but cannot do much at the moment. 

 

5. What to do to resolve such Conflicts?

 

Sensible people of the world should sit and reflect, and to make a mechanism where UN should be strengthened in a way, that it becomes really able to resolve such disputes. Security Council is not an institution which provided any justice. No, but only International Court of Justice (ICJ) is the institution which can bring JUSTICE to the world. So, please make it stronger. 

 

The international community must intervene to de-escalate tensions and establish a framework where terrorism is addressed through evidence-based, multilateral action rather than unilateral strikes. The UNO, which designated Azhar a global terrorist in 2019, should lead efforts to investigate JeM’s activities and Pakistan’s role, ensuring justice without fueling a broader war.

 

[Mariyam]

@Alam_dar India has not targeted Masood Azhar's family. The target was the communication centre and training facility and an attached madrassa (which was used for indoctrination or as JeM people called it 'guidance'). It is tragic that his family members were staying in the same set up.

 

I see the news that many people, including senior military officers, have come to Bahawalpur to attend the janaza service for those who essentially have been involved in plotting terrorist attacks in India.

 

It is becoming increasingly difficult for the Indian state to make the distinction between the terror groups and the Pakistani military.

 

[mishra]

[putrevus]

7 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Pakistan punjabi public need to come on streets and thwart the military establishment. They have to show some courage like Balochis like Mehrang Baloch are doing. Yes, military will use force against them, but that's how every movement of change starts. 

As long as they will stay quiet, military establishment will keep on recruiting young kids, brainwash them and turn them into jihadis. While the same army jernails will send their kid and families to West for better livelihood. 

We need to forget about international mechanism, they don't understand the nuances of the region. Chinese don't care about the Pak public. It's Pakistan's inward problem and they need to fix it from inside.

I don't think Pakistani public are capable of doing it. Their army won't allow it to happen.Only option is breaking Pakistan into four different pieces.

[Alam_dar]

Dear Sister Mariyam,

I completely understand the sentiments of our Indian friends.

That said, we must also accept that this world is far from perfect. It’s full of flaws and contradictions. Even if we assume that India’s intent was justified in targeting terrorist infrastructure, the outcome has been quite different: Masood Azhar has managed to garner significant public sympathy in Pakistan.

I’ve been reflecting on past incidents, particularly the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks. India exercised considerable restraint then. It focused on thorough investigations, shared the findings with the UN, as well as the US, EU, and other international partners. That international diplomatic approach brought serious pressure on Pakistan. While it didn’t deliver perfect justice, it was arguably the most effective outcome we’ve seen in any India-Pakistan confrontation so far.

In contrast, when India responds unilaterally with airstrikes, as seen in more recent conflicts, the results have often been counterproductive, both strategically and diplomatically. I still believe that patience and international collaboration yield better results than military action alone.

And this isn't just about India and Pakistan. For the sake of global peace, we need to build a mechanism, possibly under the UN, that allows such conflicts to be addressed through dialogue and evidence-based justice, not war.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Dear Sister Mariyam,

I completely understand the sentiments of our Indian friends.

That said, we must also accept that this world is far from perfect. It’s full of flaws and contradictions. Even if we assume that India’s intent was justified in targeting terrorist infrastructure, the outcome has been quite different: Masood Azhar has managed to garner significant public sympathy in Pakistan.

I’ve been reflecting on past incidents, particularly the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks. India exercised considerable restraint then. It focused on thorough investigations, shared the findings with the UN, as well as the US, EU, and other international partners. That international diplomatic approach brought serious pressure on Pakistan. While it didn’t deliver perfect justice, it was arguably the most effective outcome we’ve seen in any India-Pakistan confrontation so far.

In contrast, when India responds unilaterally with airstrikes, as seen in more recent conflicts, the results have often been counterproductive, both strategically and diplomatically. I still believe that patience and international collaboration yield better results than military action alone.

And this isn't just about India and Pakistan. For the sake of global peace, we need to build a mechanism, possibly under the UN, that allows such conflicts to be addressed through dialogue and evidence-based justice, not war.

I agree with your sentiments. But what happened in Pahalgam is unacceptable.

 

I don't think India needs anyone else to mediate their problem. They are not school kids who need to report to prinicipal and take permission from UN or anyone else.

 

It is not a conflict when 30 innocent lives are slaughtered in their own country.

[coffee_rules]

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Dear Sister Mariyam,

I completely understand the sentiments of our Indian friends.

That said, we must also accept that this world is far from perfect. It’s full of flaws and contradictions. Even if we assume that India’s intent was justified in targeting terrorist infrastructure, the outcome has been quite different: Masood Azhar has managed to garner significant public sympathy in Pakistan.

I’ve been reflecting on past incidents, particularly the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks. India exercised considerable restraint then. It focused on thorough investigations, shared the findings with the UN, as well as the US, EU, and other international partners. That international diplomatic approach brought serious pressure on Pakistan. While it didn’t deliver perfect justice, it was arguably the most effective outcome we’ve seen in any India-Pakistan confrontation so far.

In contrast, when India responds unilaterally with airstrikes, as seen in more recent conflicts, the results have often been counterproductive, both strategically and diplomatically. I still believe that patience and international collaboration yield better results than military action alone.

And this isn't just about India and Pakistan. For the sake of global peace, we need to build a mechanism, possibly under the UN, that allows such conflicts to be addressed through dialogue and evidence-based justice, not war.

The UN SG  didn’t even condemn this as a terrorist attack. He said he condemned the attack on civilians! Such is UN and so will it be its investigation team !! India relied on them for 78 years and every year more Indians are dying. After much praised Indian response in 2008, what was the outcome? More terror attacks on India. Such meek responses will not deter terrorists. Let’s wait couple of years when Indian GDP surpasses Germany , the response will be more severe . Unless ISI stops sheltering terrorists or speak for the cause of Kashmir. India can do whatever 

[Lord]

14 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Dear Sister Mariyam,

I completely understand the sentiments of our Indian friends.

That said, we must also accept that this world is far from perfect. It’s full of flaws and contradictions. Even if we assume that India’s intent was justified in targeting terrorist infrastructure, the outcome has been quite different: Masood Azhar has managed to garner significant public sympathy in Pakistan.

I’ve been reflecting on past incidents, particularly the aftermath of the Mumbai attacks. India exercised considerable restraint then. It focused on thorough investigations, shared the findings with the UN, as well as the US, EU, and other international partners. That international diplomatic approach brought serious pressure on Pakistan. While it didn’t deliver perfect justice, it was arguably the most effective outcome we’ve seen in any India-Pakistan confrontation so far.

In contrast, when India responds unilaterally with airstrikes, as seen in more recent conflicts, the results have often been counterproductive, both strategically and diplomatically. I still believe that patience and international collaboration yield better results than military action alone.

And this isn't just about India and Pakistan. For the sake of global peace, we need to build a mechanism, possibly under the UN, that allows such conflicts to be addressed through dialogue and evidence-based justice, not war.

 

 

Talks and all just meant more Indians were killed. 

 

This will make Pak think 10 times before doing it again

 

Peace can't from one side only.

[Alam_dar]

20 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

 

Talks and all just meant more Indians were killed. 

 

This will make Pak think 10 times before doing it again

 

Peace can't from one side only.

 

Please also think from this point of view, what if Pak was not directly involved?

But after this attack from India, Pakistani state may lose more grip upon these Jihadist outfits, as this attack has increased their public support. 

Pak state is in a very weak position at the moment. TTP has already made it extremely weak. 

 

 

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Please also think from this point of view, what if Pak was not directly involved?

But after this attack from India, Pakistani state may lose more grip upon these Jihadist outfits, as this attack has increased their public support. 

Pak state is in a very weak position at the moment. TTP has already made it extremely weak. 

 

 

 

Pakistan defense minister has admitted on record to supporting terrorism

Osama was found there and against US had to do covert ops while Pak was hiding him near to army base.

India only struck terrorist spots.

 

 

[mishra]

14 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Please also think from this point of view, what if Pak was not directly involved?

But after this attack from India, Pakistani state may lose more grip upon these Jihadist outfits, as this attack has increased their public support. 

Pak state is in a very weak position at the moment. TTP has already made it extremely weak. 

 

 

We did the job of what  Sovereign Government of Pakistan should be doing. Killed terrorists, after all, you claim you are fighting terrorists and victim of it. 

You should be happy , But in reality, you are absolutely happy , support and defend (olympic level acrobatics) as long as your terrorsist are killing Indians. And if they kill Hindu, Thats cherry on top.

 

Pakistan is nation of Jihadis, Just varying degree. Shame on you

Edited May 7, 2025 by mishra

[Chaos]

Ha told u war by 7-8th or no war 

[BacktoCricaddict]

13 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Yes, Inthe context of Hindus and Muslims. Muslim terrorists asked Hindus to remove their pants and shot them in their head. It is not a India Pakistan conflict for sure, it was a religious targeted killings

 

Two points:

 

(1) You are giving Naarangi manushya too much credit for his understanding of the conflict.

 

(2) I am glad GoI does not share the sentiment that this is a war on Islam, but as a war on Islamic terrorism emanating from specific parts of Pakistan, and targeting those specifically. We have no problems with most followers of Islam regardless of nationality even - all we have to do is look at the IPL and see the likes of Rashid Khan and Gurbaz Ahmed getting adulation from Indian crowds. It is this kind of discernment, restraint and compassion that give credibility to targeted war efforts whenever they become necessary. And, in my opinion, these attributes have kept our civilization alive and thriving for longer than most.

Edited May 7, 2025 by BacktoCricaddict