Is pujara's role of 30(100) working?

[mishra]

Rahane 65/157 goes to show whole team is playing with patience. I think we are reading to much into pujara 46/159

[philcric]

9 hours ago, Viper said:

He puts me to sleep that's a valid reason to remove him from Team ?

 to Pujara if he can put you to sleep and keep you away from the forum   

[gakgupta]

On 8/1/2016 at 2:23 AM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Do u think good teams would allow him to even reach to this score, this bowling line up doesnt know how to take wkts. That wont be the case with Starc, stey, morkel, Rabbada, anderson, broad, 

 

No one is asking him to play like sehwag balls but he can atleast rotate strike and play less dot balls. Test matches are not won by dot balls, and there is no point holding one end if you r nt scoring. Whats the point of 20-40 runs by a big batsman when we are playing only 5 batsman. That kind of job can be done by a night watchman

 

Lets not forget his incoming ball weakness which this wi bowling didnt exploit , wont be the same case with good bowling

He has played those quality bowlers effectively....he has solid defense and any bowler has to work hard to get his wicket.....he is just going thru bad phase and team has to support him...

 

Your point is valid, if there are lara's, gilly's, sachin's are waiting on the bench...

 

All we have ROHIT SHARMA and SHIKHAR....Pujara is million times better than those...

 

so sad, you have compared him to night watchman

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, gakgupta said:

He has played those quality bowlers effectively....he has solid defense and any bowler has to work hard to get his wicket.....he is just going thru bad phase and team has to support him...

 

Your point is valid, if there are lara's, gilly's, sachin's are waiting on the bench...

 

All we have ROHIT SHARMA and SHIKHAR....Pujara is million times better than those...

 

so sad, you have compared him to night watchman

A. I didnt compare him with a night watchman, i said if he is going to score 20-40 most times eating so many balls well thats batting like night watchman. Bat that many ball but then dont throw ur wicket.

b. He struggled in Nz,Aus,eng so lets not say he was effective and also his weakness has been found. He has played few terrific innings in his ways but m not agreement with negative mindset he is batting. HE has played proper cricket i dont know why he is going in his shell that to so often. I can understand few times but its happening a lot now

C. Yes he is way better than Rohit dhawan so i would want he still gets few more chances and he is young to so he has a lot of time.

D. I also do understand he didnt play lot of cricket before WI tour so he might be short of rhythm, but it was his stupid decision to not to go county. I hope he doesnt do that next year.

E. About that defense, that has been breached many times now. 

 

In all yes we need two batsman to grind out but there is diff in grinding out and going in negative mindset allowing bowlers to get on you. He has played terrific knocks in past. I dnt expect anyone to be sehwag but he should play like pujara not like Aakash chopra. There is a reason he has been getting out in 20-40 is coz he allows the bowlers to get on his head and despite playing so many balls there isnt runs against his name. If you are playing that many balls make sure u make runs as getting out in 20-40 is very unlike pujara. For this team success it is extremely important that pujara comes good but the way he is going i fear for him. Fear of failure wont get him through good bowling attacks and it didnt also in overseas. 

[gakgupta]

9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

A. I didnt compare him with a night watchman, i said if he is going to score 20-40 most times eating so many balls well thats batting like night watchman. Bat that many ball but then dont throw ur wicket.

b. He struggled in Nz,Aus,eng so lets not say he was effective and also his weakness has been found. He has played few terrific innings in his ways but m not agreement with negative mindset he is batting. HE has played proper cricket i dont know why he is going in his shell that to so often. I can understand few times but its happening a lot now

C. Yes he is way better than Rohit dhawan so i would want he still gets few more chances and he is young to so he has a lot of time.

D. I also do understand he didnt play lot of cricket before WI tour so he might be short of rhythm, but it was his stupid decision to not to go county. I hope he doesnt do that next year.

E. About that defense, that has been breached many times now. 

 

In all yes we need two batsman to grind out but there is diff in grinding out and going in negative mindset allowing bowlers to get on you. He has played terrific knocks in past. I dnt expect anyone to be sehwag but he should play like pujara not like Aakash chopra. There is a reason he has been getting out in 20-40 is coz he allows the bowlers to get on his head and despite playing so many balls there isnt runs against his name. If you are playing that many balls make sure u make runs as getting out in 20-40 is very unlike pujara. For this team success it is extremely important that pujara comes good but the way he is going i fear for him. Fear of failure wont get him through good bowling attacks and it didnt also in overseas. 

I was thinking that he played county and even scored a century over there...

can somebody confirm

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

I was thinking that he played county and even scored a century over there...

can somebody confirm

That was last year, this year our man didnt go coz he was hoping for ipl contract as he felt he could do a williamson or root.

http://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/ipl/why-is-pujara-warming-the-couch-at-home-during-ipl/article8510859.ece

 

Huge mistake on his part, wasted an ideal opportunity 

 

[kirkutfan]

If you are scoring 46  and play 160 balls -while going through a rough patch, you are a darn good player. In my mind, Pujara is a lot better than Shikhar Dhawan. So he should have a longer run, while Vijay takes over from Dhawan when he returns. Also the guy should get a break in the ipl. Rahul/Rahane/ Vijay all benefited from it. Pujara will too.

Edited August 2, 2016 by kirkutfan

[sandeep]

3 hours ago, kirkutfan said:

If you are scoring 46  and play 160 balls -while going through a rough patch, you are a darn good player. In my mind, Pujara is a lot better than Shikhar Dhawan. So he should have a longer run, while Vijay takes over from Dhawan when he returns. Also the guy should get a break in the ipl. Rahul/Rahane/ Vijay all benefited from it. Pujara will too.

He needs to do something in domestic IPL like the Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy etc to get into the IPL mix.  He could play an Amla like role potentially, if he gets his aggressive game on.  But he's at the show-me stage, can't expect to walk into an IPL setup as of now...

[mishra]

9 minutes ago, Viper said:

 Viper will be here to keep good people away from B lobby.

 

Or this will change soon enough to Bangalore Bully Fans

Term is Bang-loorian Bullies.

[mishra]

12 minutes ago, Viper said:

 ha ha 

 

They gang up on other people.. They are bullies indeed 

As said by Rajini sir

 

Sourab

[kirkutfan]

7 hours ago, sandeep said:

He needs to do something in domestic IPL like the Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy etc to get into the IPL mix.  He could play an Amla like role potentially, if he gets his aggressive game on.  But he's at the show-me stage, can't expect to walk into an IPL setup as of now...

I agree. He may also have to put himself at a low base price to tempt ipl owners into giving him a chance.

 

[G_B_]

 ha ha 

 

They gang up on other people.. They are bullies indeed 

As said by Rajini sir

 

Who writes these lines. The lion hardly comes to any battle. He sits on his arse all day while the lionesses hunt in packs.

The lion is a highly social animal living in a pride.

Tigers fair enough this saying makes sense

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[Ankit_sharma03]

Shastri- “When I took over, we made the team ethos very clear,” he tells Wisden India. “We wanted the game to move along. With him [Pujara] in recent times, you get the impression of a player trying to survive. You can’t just wait for the bad ball to come along.

“Most batsmen need an hour or so to feel comfortable at the crease. But once you’re set, you need to move through the gears. When the spinner comes on, you take him on, get a couple of quick boundaries. The momentum shifts.”

“There is added pressure on Pujara because of being a Test specialist,” says Shastri. “It also doesn’t help that there are two or three players breathing down his neck.”

In Pujara’s case, he came into the side feted as the new Rahul Dravid, hardly the easiest position to be in. But unlike Dravid in his early years – he scored just one hundred in his first 22 Tests – Pujara seemed to have an uncanny knack for putting away the bad balls and capitalising on his starts.

“That’s what you expect from players with skill and ability,” says Shastri. “And that’s what Pujara should be most disappointed about. These days, he’s getting out to spinners. When he came into the side, his great strength was how well he played spin. He used his feet beautifully to them, cut and pulled and never allowed them to settle.”

Much has been said about the state of Pujara’s knees – he has had surgery for ligament tears on both – and on technical flaws that have crept into his game. But Shastri, who has seen him bat long without any tangible reward, is convinced that the biggest problem is in the mind.

“He needs to go in with a clear head,” he says. “You can’t hope to do well if you’re worrying about failure. He’s the kind of batsman who, if he plays one big innings, will make three or four hundreds in his next ten. But he has to back himself.”

 

Full article- http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-blog/inner-demons-holding-up-pujaras-progress/217995

 

Even though most of have this idea of not taking shastri seriously, but i totally agree with him over Pujara's mindset and his game plan.  He said this thing long time back which we have been debating about now.

Edited August 3, 2016 by Ankit_sharma03

[Mariyam]

Pujara is one of the most boring batsmen in world cricket in the last 400 odd years. I doubt even he would watch a re-runs of his own innings.

 

However, he is not utterly useless. Clippings of his innings can be used in hospitals which are running low on anesthesia. Doubt we'd find a stronger natural general anesthetic.

Edited August 3, 2016 by Mariyam

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

Pujara is one of the most boring batsmen in world cricket in the last 400 odd years. I doubt even he would watch a re-runs of his own innings.

 

However, he is not utterly useless. Clippings of his innings can be used in hospitals which are running low on anesthesia. Doubt we'd find a stronger natural general anesthetic.

 

You must have missed Geoffrey Boycott's batting.  I haven't seen him live too but heard stories that even bowlers used to fall  asleep.

 

Our own , Ravi Shastri, at times used to bat so slowly in tests that the chant, " Hai hai Shastri " became a standard from Indian fans in the stadium.     

 

There were few other gems too.

Edited August 3, 2016 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

I Wonder with few more failures would pujara S/R drop to 10 from 28. 

I knw i knw many of you would come with old cliche that test matches is not about strike rate. 

Well test cricket is about seeing off good balls and punishing poor balls not leaving them. Compare the situation Wi was in and compare where we were and it was us who choose safety. 

 

"KAHIN COLLAPSE HO GAYA TO"

[sarcastic]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I Wonder with few more failures would pujara S/R drop to 10 from 28. 

I knw i knw many of you would come with old cliche that test matches is not about strike rate. 

Well test cricket is about seeing off good balls and punishing poor balls not leaving them. Compare the situation Wi was in and compare where we were and it was us who choose safety. 

 

"KAHIN COLLAPSE HO GAYA TO"

+1

 

Looks like Pujara's innings has been a very contributing factor to the ultimate result of this test match..... DRAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ankit_sharma03]

15 minutes ago, sarcastic said:

+1

 

Looks like Pujara's innings has been a very contributing factor to the ultimate result of this test match..... DRAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For me it changed the mindset of whole team. A good batsman playing well can make people feel in dressing room that its an easy pitch n easy attack even if it is not it can relax the player. The way he was playing may have made coming batsman feel like may be the pitch has something not suitable for strokeplay

Edited August 3, 2016 by Ankit_sharma03

[Trichromatic]

For all people who wanted us to score quickly, we have now ended up with lower scoring rate because we were 4 down in 2 sessions.

[express bowling]

6 hours ago, Vibhash said:

For all people who wanted us to score quickly, we have now ended up with lower scoring rate because we were 4 down in 2 sessions.

Why should  there be a pre-defined rate of scoring in test matches ?

 

Good teams play slowly when the pitches and playing conditions are tough, the bowling is good, a match needs to be saved etc.

 

They play faster when the pitch, bowlers, playing conditions are easy, the team is on top, a declaration is imminent etc.  

 

Often, some batsmen play faster to keep the pressure on the opposition bowlers.

 

 

Edited August 10, 2016 by express bowling